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From: Blue Chip
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:57pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!!
Couple of additions. You only have ONE carotid artery, it is the main feed
from the upper left ventricle of the heart to the brain. The "other one"
is the jugular and carries the waste blood from the brain. They lie safely
behind a pair of large muscle groups, found on the sides of the neck. If
you actually manage to clamp it you have the "vulcan nerve grip" - and yes,
if anything, it works a lot faster than on TV.
If you cannot breathe, then you are crushing the wind pipe - blocking the
carotid, in my experience does not cause shortness or difficulty of breath
- if anything the breathing rate increases nominally
TWENTY seconds!!!???? Byeeeeeeeeeee - even with a standard Jujitsu sleeper
hold it doesn't take THAT long to cause brain damage!?
People - this is ludicrously dangerous - we're talking permanent brain
damage if you get it right - pleeeeese don't do it!
At 19:04 30/03/03 +0000, you wrote:
>:o) Kb, i will test this for myself when I get time. Interesting post.
>
>--- In a previous message killerb_0187
> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I was just chatting to Tim a short while ago, and I got a few ideas
> > when we were confering.
> >
> > Now this is for EDUCATIONAL purposes only. Seriously guys, I mean
>it.
> > I was thinking of the variations & possibilities that one could use
> > this. The only reason I typed it up is so that I can learn
>it... "The
> > best way to learn something is to teach it to someone else".
> >
> > I'm gonna post some of the transcript (with permission from Tim
> > ofcourse! :) - Oh yeah, and it may be edited a little! :)
> >
> >
> > ------------------- Transcript BEGIN ----------------------
> >
> > Tim says:
> > i cant wait till the hypno course
> > Tim says:
> > ive been hypnotising people on and off for a while anyway
> > Tim says:
> > but it will be good to get a qualification so people will trust me
>a
> > bit more!!
> > Sab says:
> > lol
> > Sab says:
> > well u could just say that you've got one
> > Sab says:
> > and as soon as their considering it... say "SLEEP NOW, YOU WILL
>SLEEP
> > NOW!!!", and pressuring their temples while you're saying it
> > Tim says:
> > lol
> > Sab says:
> > apparently it works...
> > Tim says:
> > or even their carotids!!!!!!!!
> > Tim says:
> > do u know why the carotid artery is called "carotid"
> > Tim says:
> > its because its named from the Greek doctors (Karee = to sleep in
> > Greek) who realised that when they pressed it, people started
> > blacking out!!!
> > Sab says:
> > where is the carotid?
> > Tim says:
> > the carotid artery is a blood vessel in the neck
> > Sab says:
> > where abouts?
> > Tim says:
> > both sides of the upper neck - i dont advise u press it though
> > becuase it does cause people to black out i know from experience
> > Sab says:
> > oh
> > Sab says:
> > is it like under the earlobe?
> > Tim says:
> > na more under the jaw
> > Sab says:
> > coz i know thats a sevear pressure point
> > Sab says:
> > just pressed it
> > Sab says:
> > and it's stopping me from breathing, lol
> > Tim says:
> > ooooh
> > Sab says:
> > am i doing it right?
> > Tim says:
> > yes
> > Tim says:
> > it stops blood to the brain
> > Tim says:
> > dont press both sides simultaneously - i cannot stress enough u may
> > well black out
> > Sab says:
> > if you say "dont", ofcourse im gonna try it
> > Sab says:
> > and i have
> > Sab says:
> > now i got a bit of a headache...
> > Sab says:
> > ....Thanks!!
> > Tim says:
> > no problem
> > Tim says:
> > its a shame u dont live closer i could probably cure ur headache in
> > about 3 mins
> > Sab says:
> > lol, i can do it on 40 seconds!!
> > Sab says:
> >
> > Sab says:
> > or 1 min, to be sure!
> > Sab says:
> > lol, so im gonna go round sqeezing people's necks then curing them,
> > LOL!!
> > Tim says:
> > dont try and cure a headache by pressing the carotid - it will not
>i
> > assure u
> > Tim says:
> > much better to press the temporal bones
> > Sab says:
> > pretty good
> > Sab says:
> > you used "dont" again!??
> > Sab says:
> > hey man, you gotta stop that
> > Sab says:
> > it has adverse effects on people
> > Sab says:
> > and actually makes them do it
> > Tim says:
> > lol
> > Tim says:
> > sorry didnt notice i was being so direct!
> > Sab says:
> > this reverse shit works with everyone
> > Sab says:
> > we've been conditioned as children to the word "don't" with "do"
> > Tim says:
> > true
> > Tim says:
> > you've been watching DB too much "don't think of a black cat..."
> > Sab says:
> > you'll find that derren often says "don't try and.... .... .... "
> > Tim says:
> > LOL
> > Sab says:
> > could be a suggestion to make you do it
> > Sab says:
> > "don't try and guess what it is... "
> > Sab says:
> > lol!!
> > Sab says:
> > we came out with the same thing at the same time
> > Tim says:
> > yer
> > Tim says:
> > hehe
> > Tim says:
> > you are right btw
> > Tim says:
> > but i was being serious - watch out when pressing the carotids!
> > Sab says:
> > yeah
> > Sab says:
> > im gonna induce
> > Sab says:
> > then remove
> > Sab says:
> > then induce again (with a simple anchor)
> > Sab says:
> > then remove
> > Sab says:
> > then induce
> > Sab says:
> > then remove
> > Sab says:
> > LOL, thanks!!
> > Sab says:
> > you've given me a great idea!!
> > Tim says:
> >
> > Sab says:
> > I have to post this on the group!!
> > Tim says:
> > ok -just give me some credit!
> > Tim says:
> > or an acknowledgement!
> > Tim says:
> >
> > Sab says:
> > ofcourse...
> > Sab says:
> > I'm gonna have to save this transcript
> > Sab says:
> > lol... I may post this!!
> > Sab says:
> > .... he stops speaking when i mention posting the transcript
> > Sab says:
> > hehehehehe
> > Tim says:
> > hi im back
> > Tim says:
> > sure post the transcript
> >
> > ------------------- Transcript END ----------------------
> >
> >
> > Right, okay, I didn't edit it!!
> >
> > Well onto my idea...
> >
> > I found a way (with help of Tim ofcourse) that you could induce a
> > headache in a person by squeezing their "carotids" which really
>does
> > make your head thump, and then remove it by either squeezing the
> > temples or the pressure point combined squeezing the chin (refer
> > to "Psychological Subtleties" if you want to know more).
> >
> > So, basically I'm thinking that this can be incorporated with an
> > anchor (preferably kinsthetic, possibly on their shoulder)...
> >
> > You ask one of your friends to sqeeze their "carotids" for you
> > (because you want to try something medical on them). Then you tell
> > them to hold it there (only for about 10-20 seconds), NOT ANY
>LONGER,
> > or they may pass out!! While their doing that when reaching about
>17
> > seconds, you start your anchor, then you tell them to let go, when
> > they do you sqeeze their left shoulder, and then let go as soon as
> > it's peaked.
> >
> > They'll have a headache now... (I've tried it on myself, and my
>head
> > is seriously thumping now).
> >
> > Okay... Now onto removing it...
> >
> > I'm only going to inform you on one method I've found successful on
> > removing headaches (which is thoroughly conveyed in "Psychological
> > Subtleties - Banachek"), but I'm incorpating it differently here..
> >
> > Tell them to relax a little (into a waking trance if possible),
>then
> > you either tell them to remove it with their hands, or you can do
>it
> > to them. It really depends on what kind of anchor you want. For
> > example, if you wanted a kinsthetic anchor then you would let them
>do
> > it. But if you wanted to make some sort of visual anchor then you
>can
> > do it for them...
> >
> > I find that removing a headache is best done by a second person,
> > because of expectation etc... it's difficult to get optimum results
> > on oneself.
> >
> > Anyway, back to my method:
> >
> >
> > Basically you put them a light trance (if you can), or just tell
>them
> > to relax... When you feel that this has been accomplised, then you
> > can start to remove the headache by applying pressure on the
>relevant
> > points. Hold the pressure for about 40 seconds, and then let go!!
> > When you reach about 37 seconds, start your anchor (whatever that
>may
> > be), then as soon as she's finished and opened her eyes you can
>stop
> > the anchor. But make sure you have it so that the anchor lasts over
> > the peak..
> >
> > Now if you've done both steps successfully, you should have two
> > distinctive anchors. ONE to induce a headache, and one to remove it.
> >
> > Now when the headache is gone, ask her how she feels, and if the
> > headache has gone... If she agrees then later on, when she's not
> > expecting it, fire the anchor!! and ask her how she feels. If it's
> > worked, she may say something like "I've got a bit of a headache
> > again". When she says this, fire the other one and it should go
>away!
> >
> > Pretty good huh?
> >
> > Then you can fire both of them at the same time, and her head will
> > explode >;o)
> >
> > Now out of this seemingly sadistic post, there is some good that
>you
> > can use it for. For example, now that you've got a simple anchor to
> > cure a headache for her, you can fire it everytime she says that
>she
> > doesn't want to go out because of a headache!! :))))
> >
> > She'll never be able to use that excuse again... heh...
> >
> > But seriously though, it beats the hell out of Paracetamol in my
>IMO.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, hope you've enjoyed reading, and I would ofcourse
>appreciate
> > any comments or criticims, especially from the NLP guru's of this
> > group, i.e. Terry, Marc?? :))
>
>
>
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| Replies | Author | Yahoo ID | Date | Size |
| 3935: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!! | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Mon3/31/2003 | 3 KB |
| 3944: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!! | huntjoanne89 | huntjoanne89 | Mon3/31/2003 | 12 KB |
| 3948: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!! | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Mon3/31/2003 | 2 KB |
| 3949: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!! a.k.a. Ouch then urghh | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Mon3/31/2003 | 3 KB |
| 3951: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | derek_heron | derek_heron | Mon3/31/2003 | 2 KB |
| 3960: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | ganetauk | ganetauk | Mon3/31/2003 | 2 KB |
| 4015: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Wed 02/04/2003 | 3 KB |
| 4019: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Wed 02/04/2003 | 5 KB |
| 4027: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Wed 02/04/2003 | 5 KB |
