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From: huntjoanne89
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:18pm
Subject: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!!
Exactly...very stupid idea.
Even holdin for a short period of time could be very dangerous,
especially if the person currently has high blood pressure.
--- In a previous message Blue Chip
wrote:
> Couple of additions. You only have ONE carotid artery, it is the
main feed
> from the upper left ventricle of the heart to the brain.
The "other one"
> is the jugular and carries the waste blood from the brain. They
lie safely
> behind a pair of large muscle groups, found on the sides of the
neck. If
> you actually manage to clamp it you have the "vulcan nerve grip" -
and yes,
> if anything, it works a lot faster than on TV.
>
> If you cannot breathe, then you are crushing the wind pipe -
blocking the
> carotid, in my experience does not cause shortness or difficulty of
breath
> - if anything the breathing rate increases nominally
>
> TWENTY seconds!!!???? Byeeeeeeeeeee - even with a standard Jujitsu
sleeper
> hold it doesn't take THAT long to cause brain damage!? People - this is ludicrously dangerous - we're talking permanent
brain
> damage if you get it right - pleeeeese don't do it!
> At 19:04 30/03/03 +0000, you wrote:
> >:o) Kb, i will test this for myself when I get time. Interesting
post.
> >
> >--- In a previous message killerb_0187
> > wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I was just chatting to Tim a short while ago, and I got a few
ideas
> > > when we were confering.
> > >
> > > Now this is for EDUCATIONAL purposes only. Seriously guys, I
mean
> >it.
> > > I was thinking of the variations & possibilities that one could
use
> > > this. The only reason I typed it up is so that I can learn
> >it... "The
> > > best way to learn something is to teach it to someone else".
> > >
> > > I'm gonna post some of the transcript (with permission from Tim
> > > ofcourse! :) - Oh yeah, and it may be edited a little! :)
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------- Transcript BEGIN ----------------------
> > >
> > > Tim says:
> > > i cant wait till the hypno course
> > > Tim says:
> > > ive been hypnotising people on and off for a while anyway
> > > Tim says:
> > > but it will be good to get a qualification so people will trust
me
> >a
> > > bit more!!
> > > Sab says:
> > > lol
> > > Sab says:
> > > well u could just say that you've got one
> > > Sab says:
> > > and as soon as their considering it... say "SLEEP NOW, YOU WILL
> >SLEEP
> > > NOW!!!", and pressuring their temples while you're saying it
> > > Tim says:
> > > lol
> > > Sab says:
> > > apparently it works...
> > > Tim says:
> > > or even their carotids!!!!!!!!
> > > Tim says:
> > > do u know why the carotid artery is called "carotid"
> > > Tim says:
> > > its because its named from the Greek doctors (Karee = to sleep
in
> > > Greek) who realised that when they pressed it, people started
> > > blacking out!!!
> > > Sab says:
> > > where is the carotid?
> > > Tim says:
> > > the carotid artery is a blood vessel in the neck
> > > Sab says:
> > > where abouts?
> > > Tim says:
> > > both sides of the upper neck - i dont advise u press it though
> > > becuase it does cause people to black out i know from experience
> > > Sab says:
> > > oh
> > > Sab says:
> > > is it like under the earlobe?
> > > Tim says:
> > > na more under the jaw
> > > Sab says:
> > > coz i know thats a sevear pressure point
> > > Sab says:
> > > just pressed it
> > > Sab says:
> > > and it's stopping me from breathing, lol
> > > Tim says:
> > > ooooh
> > > Sab says:
> > > am i doing it right?
> > > Tim says:
> > > yes
> > > Tim says:
> > > it stops blood to the brain
> > > Tim says:
> > > dont press both sides simultaneously - i cannot stress enough u
may
> > > well black out
> > > Sab says:
> > > if you say "dont", ofcourse im gonna try it
> > > Sab says:
> > > and i have
> > > Sab says:
> > > now i got a bit of a headache...
> > > Sab says:
> > > ....Thanks!!
> > > Tim says:
> > > no problem
> > > Tim says:
> > > its a shame u dont live closer i could probably cure ur
headache in
> > > about 3 mins
> > > Sab says:
> > > lol, i can do it on 40 seconds!!
> > > Sab says:
> > >
> > > Sab says:
> > > or 1 min, to be sure!
> > > Sab says:
> > > lol, so im gonna go round sqeezing people's necks then curing
them,
> > > LOL!!
> > > Tim says:
> > > dont try and cure a headache by pressing the carotid - it will
not
> >i
> > > assure u
> > > Tim says:
> > > much better to press the temporal bones
> > > Sab says:
> > > pretty good
> > > Sab says:
> > > you used "dont" again!??
> > > Sab says:
> > > hey man, you gotta stop that
> > > Sab says:
> > > it has adverse effects on people
> > > Sab says:
> > > and actually makes them do it
> > > Tim says:
> > > lol
> > > Tim says:
> > > sorry didnt notice i was being so direct!
> > > Sab says:
> > > this reverse shit works with everyone
> > > Sab says:
> > > we've been conditioned as children to the word "don't" with "do"
> > > Tim says:
> > > true
> > > Tim says:
> > > you've been watching DB too much "don't think of a black cat..."
> > > Sab says:
> > > you'll find that derren often says "don't try
and.... .... .... "
> > > Tim says:
> > > LOL
> > > Sab says:
> > > could be a suggestion to make you do it
> > > Sab says:
> > > "don't try and guess what it is... "
> > > Sab says:
> > > lol!!
> > > Sab says:
> > > we came out with the same thing at the same time
> > > Tim says:
> > > yer
> > > Tim says:
> > > hehe
> > > Tim says:
> > > you are right btw
> > > Tim says:
> > > but i was being serious - watch out when pressing the carotids!
> > > Sab says:
> > > yeah
> > > Sab says:
> > > im gonna induce
> > > Sab says:
> > > then remove
> > > Sab says:
> > > then induce again (with a simple anchor)
> > > Sab says:
> > > then remove
> > > Sab says:
> > > then induce
> > > Sab says:
> > > then remove
> > > Sab says:
> > > LOL, thanks!!
> > > Sab says:
> > > you've given me a great idea!!
> > > Tim says:
> > >
> > > Sab says:
> > > I have to post this on the group!!
> > > Tim says:
> > > ok -just give me some credit!
> > > Tim says:
> > > or an acknowledgement!
> > > Tim says:
> > >
> > > Sab says:
> > > ofcourse...
> > > Sab says:
> > > I'm gonna have to save this transcript
> > > Sab says:
> > > lol... I may post this!!
> > > Sab says:
> > > .... he stops speaking when i mention posting the transcript
> > > Sab says:
> > > hehehehehe
> > > Tim says:
> > > hi im back
> > > Tim says:
> > > sure post the transcript
> > >
> > > ------------------- Transcript END ----------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > Right, okay, I didn't edit it!!
> > >
> > > Well onto my idea...
> > >
> > > I found a way (with help of Tim ofcourse) that you could induce
a
> > > headache in a person by squeezing their "carotids" which really
> >does
> > > make your head thump, and then remove it by either squeezing the
> > > temples or the pressure point combined squeezing the chin (refer
> > > to "Psychological Subtleties" if you want to know more).
> > >
> > > So, basically I'm thinking that this can be incorporated with an
> > > anchor (preferably kinsthetic, possibly on their shoulder)...
> > >
> > > You ask one of your friends to sqeeze their "carotids" for you
> > > (because you want to try something medical on them). Then you
tell
> > > them to hold it there (only for about 10-20 seconds), NOT ANY
> >LONGER,
> > > or they may pass out!! While their doing that when reaching
about
> >17
> > > seconds, you start your anchor, then you tell them to let go,
when
> > > they do you sqeeze their left shoulder, and then let go as soon
as
> > > it's peaked.
> > >
> > > They'll have a headache now... (I've tried it on myself, and my
> >head
> > > is seriously thumping now).
> > >
> > > Okay... Now onto removing it...
> > >
> > > I'm only going to inform you on one method I've found
successful on
> > > removing headaches (which is thoroughly conveyed
in "Psychological
> > > Subtleties - Banachek"), but I'm incorpating it differently
here..
> > >
> > > Tell them to relax a little (into a waking trance if possible),
> >then
> > > you either tell them to remove it with their hands, or you can
do
> >it
> > > to them. It really depends on what kind of anchor you want. For
> > > example, if you wanted a kinsthetic anchor then you would let
them
> >do
> > > it. But if you wanted to make some sort of visual anchor then
you
> >can
> > > do it for them...
> > >
> > > I find that removing a headache is best done by a second person,
> > > because of expectation etc... it's difficult to get optimum
results
> > > on oneself.
> > >
> > > Anyway, back to my method:
> > >
> > >
> > > Basically you put them a light trance (if you can), or just tell
> >them
> > > to relax... When you feel that this has been accomplised, then
you
> > > can start to remove the headache by applying pressure on the
> >relevant
> > > points. Hold the pressure for about 40 seconds, and then let
go!!
> > > When you reach about 37 seconds, start your anchor (whatever
that
> >may
> > > be), then as soon as she's finished and opened her eyes you can
> >stop
> > > the anchor. But make sure you have it so that the anchor lasts
over
> > > the peak..
> > >
> > > Now if you've done both steps successfully, you should have two
> > > distinctive anchors. ONE to induce a headache, and one to
remove it.
> > >
> > > Now when the headache is gone, ask her how she feels, and if the
> > > headache has gone... If she agrees then later on, when she's not
> > > expecting it, fire the anchor!! and ask her how she feels. If
it's
> > > worked, she may say something like "I've got a bit of a headache
> > > again". When she says this, fire the other one and it should go
> >away!
> > >
> > > Pretty good huh?
> > >
> > > Then you can fire both of them at the same time, and her head
will
> > > explode >;o)
> > >
> > > Now out of this seemingly sadistic post, there is some good that
> >you
> > > can use it for. For example, now that you've got a simple
anchor to
> > > cure a headache for her, you can fire it everytime she says that
> >she
> > > doesn't want to go out because of a headache!! :))))
> > >
> > > She'll never be able to use that excuse again... heh...
> > >
> > > But seriously though, it beats the hell out of Paracetamol in my
> >IMO.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, hope you've enjoyed reading, and I would ofcourse
> >appreciate
> > > any comments or criticims, especially from the NLP guru's of
this
> > > group, i.e. Terry, Marc?? :))
> >
> >
> >
> >[e-mail address removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >> >
| Replies | Author | Yahoo ID | Date | Size |
| 3948: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!! | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Mon3/31/2003 | 2 KB |
| 3949: Re: INDUCE.... Then REMOVE a headache!! a.k.a. Ouch then urghh | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Mon3/31/2003 | 3 KB |
| 3951: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | derek_heron | derek_heron | Mon3/31/2003 | 2 KB |
| 3960: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | ganetauk | ganetauk | Mon3/31/2003 | 2 KB |
| 4015: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Wed 02/04/2003 | 3 KB |
| 4019: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Wed 02/04/2003 | 5 KB |
| 4027: Re: INDUCE....Ouch then urghh | killer_b0187 | killerb_0187 | Wed 02/04/2003 | 5 KB |
| 4028: Stage Performance | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Wed 02/04/2003 | 2 KB |
| 4037: Re: Stage Performance | craigrobertlemon | craigrobertlemon | Wed 02/04/2003 | 2 KB |
