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From: Philip Collins
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:47pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
I've said it before but ill say it again, it's not REAL. its TV anyone who
has read 'pure effect' please back me up. Derren is the kind of guy who will
go to any extreme to present the most amazing effects. what makes this trick
really amazing is that anyone who doesnt believe in hypnosis/nlp cant
understand how it was done and anyone who studies trance/subconcious mind
and pattern interupts as part of nlp thinks to themselves wow this guy has
taken this skill far beyond I have seen it used before.
What i'm saying is that Derren knows people will spend ages trying to find
out about interupting patterns because according to the theory these kinds
of things do work and they do work. But that is not what is happening here.
DOnt get me wrong I believe that with some pre-show covert hypnosis and a
pre installed suggestion could have been the method used but its unlikely.
Think about it the first woman was set up when derren went up with the first
ticket. "oh yeah sorry you have won" she is obvious with her smile. The
second woman in order for it to be what derren wants us to believe it was
i.e pattern inturrept, confusion and subliminal commands then this pattern
interupt would have had to generate a visual hallucination as she was
reading the machine.
I'm not saying she wasn't duped necessarily but I am saying it can't be done
without some pre-show work and If I was derren and i wanted to do a trick
like that as part of one of my shows then I would surely think of an easier
and RELIABLE method. Think about it with clear eyes if that were true then
derren would be working for MI5 not channel 4.
In fact he wouldnt be working at all he'd be at the dog's 24-7.
THe fact that we spend time reading up on pattern interrupts is a credit to
his performance his book pure effect clearly states that he aims for his
audiences to have some idea of how it was done at the end of his shows.
"Decide what it would look like of you could really do it. Hint at the
method you would use if you really could do it and let them draw conclusions
for themselves"
>From: gordo_ala_moore
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:05:24 -0000
>
>The pattern (unit of operation performed by the subconscious), could
>be the woman's entire night, or her serving of each individual
>punter, but more then likely it is the processing of each ticket. I
>still have my reservations about the first time he bangs on the
>glass, I believe with this one, the woman is playing along. The
>second woman on the other hand, the bang is used to startle the
>woman's subconscious making it receptive to the next suggestion.
>There are many waking suggestion tricks that utilise this, as well as
>several rapid inductions.
>
>I know what you are saying about interrupting the `pattern', when
>there is no clear pattern. But I bet if you asked the woman to
>describe a person she had just served, or on what race the previous
>ticket claimed was, she would not be able to tell you. It is likely
>that a great deal of her actions doing such repetitive task, are out
>with her normal consciousness.
>On occasion when I would go to the supermarket, I would state to the
>person at the checkout "Doesn't that awful background music drive
>you", and observer the expression on their face as they `wake up'.
>
>Cheers, Gordon--- In a previous message vlaca_malacca wrote:
> > --- In a previous message gordo_ala_moore wrote:
> > >
> > > I have always assumed the betting track was pure pattern
>interrupt,
> >
> > That's where I have a problem.
> > What pattern is Derren interrupting? I can't make out any automatic
> > movement which is not normally interrupted. I can't see how banging
> > on a windowframe can do anything other than momentarily shock the
> > victim.
> >
> >
> > > P.S. is "tranceformations" any good, i have been swithering about
> > > forking out for a second hand "Hypnotic realities", but may by
> > > tranceformations instead. depending on your feedback. is it
> > > too "therapyish"?
> >
> > Well, 'Tranceformations' is the very first book I've read on the
> > subject of NLP, and I have taken many, many notes from it. It's
> > really just a transcription of a weekend at an NLP seminar with
> > Bandler et al. The first 100 pages are totally engrossing.
> >
> > Instead of forking out significant amounts of cash, I managed to
> > locate a copy in my University library (which has a price sticker
>of
> > £8.99 on the cover, while Amazon are selling 2nd hand versions for
> > £30-£40!). See if you can hypnotise a student and get a version
>that
> > way.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
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| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 1456: Re: General stuff on MC3 | gordo_ala_moore | gordo_ala_moore | Tue 29/10/2002 | 8 KB |
| 1459: Re: General stuff on MC3 | ujermagaddi | ujermagaddi | Tue 29/10/2002 | 2 KB |
| 1462: Re: General stuff on MC3 | ozric | klisher | Tue 29/10/2002 | 2 KB |
| 1464: Re: General stuff on MC3 | vlaca_malacca | vlaca_malacca | Tue 29/10/2002 | 2 KB |
| 1466: Re: General stuff on MC3 | ozric | klisher | Tue 29/10/2002 | 2 KB |
| 1467: Re: General stuff on MC3 | zoweeuk | zoweeuk | Wed 30/10/2002 | 2 KB |
| 1476: Re: General stuff on MC3 | killerb_0187 | killerb_0187 | Wed 30/10/2002 | 4 KB |
