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From: gordo_ala_moore
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:29pm
Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
Yes, I agree Derren will go to any length to make a trick appear
real, and the woman with the smirk as I said earlier was definitely
in on the trick. However, It was clear that that second woman
was `duped' and was entered into a state of confusion, which
ultimately resulted in Derren getting paid i.e. the trick was a
resounding success. From a hypnosis/waking suggestion perspective, a
clap of the hands or a snap of the fingers along with a confidently
delivered suggestion can make a person forget their own name. As I
am fully aware his acts are often hit and miss, and the second woman
may well have been a hit, is this also not plausible.
Assuming pattern interrupt is not the technique used, and I also
doubt no pre-show covert trance was used, I sincerely hope it wasn't
a simple case of "Derren's people contacting the track and
arranging the full stunt" . Since I believe Derren's trick is not
much better than Blain's levitation, or Uri's spoon bending, if that
is the case.
Do you have an intermediate theory you can suggest?
Could he have bet on the winner of a previous race with the same
number? Or something along similar such lines.
Cheers, Gordon
P.S. I still for some reason can see past waking suggestion, even
having read Pure Effect, Bancheck etc. Maybe I am more duped than
that woman !
--- In a previous message Philip Collins wrote:
> I've said it before but ill say it again, it's not REAL. its TV
anyone who
> has read 'pure effect' please back me up. Derren is the kind of guy
who will
> go to any extreme to present the most amazing effects. what makes
this trick
> really amazing is that anyone who doesnt believe in hypnosis/nlp
cant
> understand how it was done and anyone who studies
trance/subconcious mind
> and pattern interupts as part of nlp thinks to themselves wow this
guy has
> taken this skill far beyond I have seen it used before.
> What i'm saying is that Derren knows people will spend ages trying
to find
> out about interupting patterns because according to the theory
these kinds
> of things do work and they do work. But that is not what is
happening here.
> DOnt get me wrong I believe that with some pre-show covert hypnosis
and a
> pre installed suggestion could have been the method used but its
unlikely.
> Think about it the first woman was set up when derren went up with
the first
> ticket. "oh yeah sorry you have won" she is obvious with her smile.
The
> second woman in order for it to be what derren wants us to believe
it was
> i.e pattern inturrept, confusion and subliminal commands then this
pattern
> interupt would have had to generate a visual hallucination as she
was
> reading the machine.
> I'm not saying she wasn't duped necessarily but I am saying it
can't be done
> without some pre-show work and If I was derren and i wanted to do a
trick
> like that as part of one of my shows then I would surely think of
an easier
> and RELIABLE method. Think about it with clear eyes if that were
true then
> derren would be working for MI5 not channel 4.
> In fact he wouldnt be working at all he'd be at the dog's 24-7.
> THe fact that we spend time reading up on pattern interrupts is a
credit to
> his performance his book pure effect clearly states that he aims
for his
> audiences to have some idea of how it was done at the end of his
shows.
> "Decide what it would look like of you could really do it. Hint at
the
> method you would use if you really could do it and let them draw
conclusions
> for themselves" >From: gordo_ala_moore
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
> >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:05:24 -0000
> >
> >The pattern (unit of operation performed by the subconscious),
could
> >be the woman's entire night, or her serving of each individual
> >punter, but more then likely it is the processing of each ticket.
I
> >still have my reservations about the first time he bangs on the
> >glass, I believe with this one, the woman is playing along. The
> >second woman on the other hand, the bang is used to startle the
> >woman's subconscious making it receptive to the next suggestion.
> >There are many waking suggestion tricks that utilise this, as well
as
> >several rapid inductions.
> >
> >I know what you are saying about interrupting the `pattern', when
> >there is no clear pattern. But I bet if you asked the woman to
> >describe a person she had just served, or on what race the previous
> >ticket claimed was, she would not be able to tell you. It is
likely
> >that a great deal of her actions doing such repetitive task, are
out
> >with her normal consciousness.
> >On occasion when I would go to the supermarket, I would state to
the
> >person at the checkout "Doesn't that awful background music drive
> >you", and observer the expression on their face as they `wake up'.
> >
> >Cheers, Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In a previous message vlaca_malacca
wrote:
> > > --- In a previous message gordo_ala_moore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have always assumed the betting track was pure pattern
> >interrupt,
> > >
> > > That's where I have a problem.
> > > What pattern is Derren interrupting? I can't make out any
automatic
> > > movement which is not normally interrupted. I can't see how
banging
> > > on a windowframe can do anything other than momentarily shock
the
> > > victim.
> > >
> > >
> > > > P.S. is "tranceformations" any good, i have been swithering
about
> > > > forking out for a second hand "Hypnotic realities", but may by
> > > > tranceformations instead. depending on your feedback. is it
> > > > too "therapyish"?
> > >
> > > Well, 'Tranceformations' is the very first book I've read on the
> > > subject of NLP, and I have taken many, many notes from it. It's
> > > really just a transcription of a weekend at an NLP seminar with
> > > Bandler et al. The first 100 pages are totally engrossing.
> > >
> > > Instead of forking out significant amounts of cash, I managed to
> > > locate a copy in my University library (which has a price
sticker
> >of
> > > £8.99 on the cover, while Amazon are selling 2nd hand versions
for
> > > £30-£40!). See if you can hypnotise a student and get a version
> >that
> > > way.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> >
>
>
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