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From: happany
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 12:02am
Subject: Anchoring
What's "anchoring" ?
--- In a previous message Philip Collins wrote:
> Each time i watch it i change my own mind, that second woman really
did
> apppear to be completely confused and looked as though she had
experienced
> something really weird. I dont think derren would be low enough to
ever set
> anything up ahead of time but I certainly dont rule out setting up
when he
> got there. Derren is much more likely to use an 'instant stooge' I
believe
> that not even the camera crew knew how this was done. I believe
that the
> first time when he went up alone was when he handed over the money
and got
> her in on the act for the second time. The third time I dont know,
I refuse
> to believe that its that easy however else like I say he'd be doing
it alot
> and keeping it under his hat not doing it in t.v.
> Areyou familiar with anchoring? Maybe derren has been a few times
and each
> time he has won he has gone up to the woman and anchored her state
of paying
> him money on authentic winners with the word WINdow or seomthing
like that
> and once that is set up its real from then on!
>
> Thats the best i can do.
> Whaddya think?
>
>
> >From: gordo_ala_moore
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
> >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:29:47 -0000
> >
> >Yes, I agree Derren will go to any length to make a trick appear
> >real, and the woman with the smirk as I said earlier was definitely
> >in on the trick. However, It was clear that that second woman
> >was `duped' and was entered into a state of confusion, which
> >ultimately resulted in Derren getting paid i.e. the trick was a
> >resounding success. From a hypnosis/waking suggestion
perspective, a
> >clap of the hands or a snap of the fingers along with a confidently
> >delivered suggestion can make a person forget their own name. As I
> >am fully aware his acts are often hit and miss, and the second
woman
> >may well have been a hit, is this also not plausible.
> >
> > Assuming pattern interrupt is not the technique used, and I also
> >doubt no pre-show covert trance was used, I sincerely hope it
wasn't
> >a simple case of "Derren's people contacting the track and
> >arranging the full stunt" . Since I believe Derren's trick is not
> >much better than Blain's levitation, or Uri's spoon bending, if
that
> >is the case.
> >
> >Do you have an intermediate theory you can suggest?
> >
> >Could he have bet on the winner of a previous race with the same
> >number? Or something along similar such lines.
> >
> >Cheers, Gordon
> >
> >P.S. I still for some reason can see past waking suggestion, even
> >having read Pure Effect, Bancheck etc. Maybe I am more duped than
> >that woman !
> >
> >
> >--- In a previous message Philip Collins
wrote:
> > > I've said it before but ill say it again, it's not REAL. its TV
> >anyone who
> > > has read 'pure effect' please back me up. Derren is the kind of
guy
> >who will
> > > go to any extreme to present the most amazing effects. what
makes
> >this trick
> > > really amazing is that anyone who doesnt believe in hypnosis/nlp
> >cant
> > > understand how it was done and anyone who studies
> >trance/subconcious mind
> > > and pattern interupts as part of nlp thinks to themselves wow
this
> >guy has
> > > taken this skill far beyond I have seen it used before.
> > > What i'm saying is that Derren knows people will spend ages
trying
> >to find
> > > out about interupting patterns because according to the theory
> >these kinds
> > > of things do work and they do work. But that is not what is
> >happening here.
> > > DOnt get me wrong I believe that with some pre-show covert
hypnosis
> >and a
> > > pre installed suggestion could have been the method used but its
> >unlikely.
> > > Think about it the first woman was set up when derren went up
with
> >the first
> > > ticket. "oh yeah sorry you have won" she is obvious with her
smile.
> >The
> > > second woman in order for it to be what derren wants us to
believe
> >it was
> > > i.e pattern inturrept, confusion and subliminal commands then
this
> >pattern
> > > interupt would have had to generate a visual hallucination as
she
> >was
> > > reading the machine.
> > > I'm not saying she wasn't duped necessarily but I am saying it
> >can't be done
> > > without some pre-show work and If I was derren and i wanted to
do a
> >trick
> > > like that as part of one of my shows then I would surely think
of
> >an easier
> > > and RELIABLE method. Think about it with clear eyes if that were
> >true then
> > > derren would be working for MI5 not channel 4.
> > > In fact he wouldnt be working at all he'd be at the dog's 24-7.
> > > THe fact that we spend time reading up on pattern interrupts is
a
> >credit to
> > > his performance his book pure effect clearly states that he aims
> >for his
> > > audiences to have some idea of how it was done at the end of his
> >shows.
> > > "Decide what it would look like of you could really do it. Hint
at
> >the
> > > method you would use if you really could do it and let them draw
> >conclusions
> > > for themselves"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: gordo_ala_moore
> > > >Reply-To:
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
> > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:05:24 -0000
> > > >
> > > >The pattern (unit of operation performed by the subconscious),
> >could
> > > >be the woman's entire night, or her serving of each individual
> > > >punter, but more then likely it is the processing of each
ticket.
> >I
> > > >still have my reservations about the first time he bangs on the
> > > >glass, I believe with this one, the woman is playing along.
The
> > > >second woman on the other hand, the bang is used to startle the
> > > >woman's subconscious making it receptive to the next
suggestion.
> > > >There are many waking suggestion tricks that utilise this, as
well
> >as
> > > >several rapid inductions.
> > > >
> > > >I know what you are saying about interrupting the `pattern',
when
> > > >there is no clear pattern. But I bet if you asked the woman to
> > > >describe a person she had just served, or on what race the
previous
> > > >ticket claimed was, she would not be able to tell you. It is
> >likely
> > > >that a great deal of her actions doing such repetitive task,
are
> >out
> > > >with her normal consciousness.
> > > >On occasion when I would go to the supermarket, I would state
to
> >the
> > > >person at the checkout "Doesn't that awful background music
drive
> > > >you", and observer the expression on their face as they `wake
up'.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers, Gordon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In a previous message vlaca_malacca"
> > wrote:
> > > > > --- In a previous message gordo_ala_moore
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have always assumed the betting track was pure pattern
> > > >interrupt,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's where I have a problem.
> > > > > What pattern is Derren interrupting? I can't make out any
> >automatic
> > > > > movement which is not normally interrupted. I can't see how
> >banging
> > > > > on a windowframe can do anything other than momentarily
shock
> >the
> > > > > victim.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > P.S. is "tranceformations" any good, i have been
swithering
> >about
> > > > > > forking out for a second hand "Hypnotic realities", but
may by
> > > > > > tranceformations instead. depending on your feedback. is
it
> > > > > > too "therapyish"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, 'Tranceformations' is the very first book I've read
on the
> > > > > subject of NLP, and I have taken many, many notes from it.
It's
> > > > > really just a transcription of a weekend at an NLP seminar
with
> > > > > Bandler et al. The first 100 pages are totally engrossing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instead of forking out significant amounts of cash, I
managed to
> > > > > locate a copy in my University library (which has a price
> >sticker
> > > >of
> > > > > £8.99 on the cover, while Amazon are selling 2nd hand
versions
> >for
> > > > > £30-£40!). See if you can hypnotise a student and get a
version
> > > >that
> > > > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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