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From: Blue Chip
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 1:48am
Subject: Re: Anchoring
Not sure I can quote this one verbatim, so please excuse the paraphrasing:
Derren does quite a good job of describing this on his 'Mind Control Night':
During one of his "E4 special" inter-episodic appearances, more
specifically, as a suffix to episode ?2? I think:
"Now sit back and enjoy a series of 30 second films designed to induce a
state of well being and link that state to the identity of a product, a
system known as 'Anchoring' <smirk>"
...then after the ad break...
"Well? Did you want to buy any of those things? Of course you did, they
make you shinier and sexier! Why wouldn't you? <sly grin>"
An advert creates a "happy" frame of mind and then says "MY PRODUCT" whilst
showing *<_MY-LOGO_>*
...when you see the product in the shop, or hear its name, you have "happy"
memory, and feel favour toward the product. In this case it could be said
that "Happiness" has been anchored to "MY PRODUCT" (and vice-versa.)
See: http://derrenbrown.150.com
links to follow are:
-> Psychology Source
-> NLP Section
-> Crash course
-> Rule 17: One time learning -read as- one time anchoring
.. I could have given you just the destination URL, but there are lots of
other interesting sights/sites on your journey if you go through the links ;)
"Stacked Anchoring" is like "One Time Anchoring" only it works by regularly
assuring you that your instincts are correct. Whereas "One Time Anchoring"
has such a drastic and immediate effect that you won't need reminding of
it. This'll make more sense after you've read the "Crash Course".
The example referred to in this thread:
Derren buys loooaaddss of tickets with E4 funds, and takes the winners to
window 7 (whatever), each time he collects from this woman he performs an
unusal action, such as saying a weird word or perculiar sentence: "that's
why I came to this WWIINNdow". After a few times, she sees him, hears the
sentence and, like shaking hands, once the whole thing is underway, she
just does what she has done a dozen times before and doesn't really think
about it. After all, how many times a day does someone (let alone one of
her regulars) come to her and try to cash in a losing ticket. Most people
either drop them in disappointment, or rip them up in anger! The whole
situation is 'outside of the normal' and I think, as with most of his
performances, it's "a little from column A and a little from column B."
BlueCheese
At 00:02 09/12/02 +0000, you wrote:
>What's "anchoring" ?--- In a previous message Philip Collins wrote:
> > Each time i watch it i change my own mind, that second woman really
>did
> > apppear to be completely confused and looked as though she had
>experienced
> > something really weird. I dont think derren would be low enough to
>ever set
> > anything up ahead of time but I certainly dont rule out setting up
>when he
> > got there. Derren is much more likely to use an 'instant stooge' I
>believe
> > that not even the camera crew knew how this was done. I believe
>that the
> > first time when he went up alone was when he handed over the money
>and got
> > her in on the act for the second time. The third time I dont know,
>I refuse
> > to believe that its that easy however else like I say he'd be doing
>it alot
> > and keeping it under his hat not doing it in t.v.
> > Areyou familiar with anchoring? Maybe derren has been a few times
>and each
> > time he has won he has gone up to the woman and anchored her state
>of paying
> > him money on authentic winners with the word WINdow or seomthing
>like that
> > and once that is set up its real from then on!
> >
> > Thats the best i can do.
> > Whaddya think?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: gordo_ala_moore
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
> > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:29:47 -0000
> > >
> > >Yes, I agree Derren will go to any length to make a trick appear
> > >real, and the woman with the smirk as I said earlier was definitely
> > >in on the trick. However, It was clear that that second woman
> > >was `duped' and was entered into a state of confusion, which
> > >ultimately resulted in Derren getting paid i.e. the trick was a
> > >resounding success. From a hypnosis/waking suggestion
>perspective, a
> > >clap of the hands or a snap of the fingers along with a confidently
> > >delivered suggestion can make a person forget their own name. As I
> > >am fully aware his acts are often hit and miss, and the second
>woman
> > >may well have been a hit, is this also not plausible.
> > >
> > > Assuming pattern interrupt is not the technique used, and I also
> > >doubt no pre-show covert trance was used, I sincerely hope it
>wasn't
> > >a simple case of "Derren's people contacting the track and
> > >arranging the full stunt" . Since I believe Derren's trick is not
> > >much better than Blain's levitation, or Uri's spoon bending, if
>that
> > >is the case.
> > >
> > >Do you have an intermediate theory you can suggest?
> > >
> > >Could he have bet on the winner of a previous race with the same
> > >number? Or something along similar such lines.
> > >
> > >Cheers, Gordon
> > >
> > >P.S. I still for some reason can see past waking suggestion, even
> > >having read Pure Effect, Bancheck etc. Maybe I am more duped than
> > >that woman !
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In a previous message Philip Collins
> wrote:
> > > > I've said it before but ill say it again, it's not REAL. its TV
> > >anyone who
> > > > has read 'pure effect' please back me up. Derren is the kind of
>guy
> > >who will
> > > > go to any extreme to present the most amazing effects. what
>makes
> > >this trick
> > > > really amazing is that anyone who doesnt believe in hypnosis/nlp
> > >cant
> > > > understand how it was done and anyone who studies
> > >trance/subconcious mind
> > > > and pattern interupts as part of nlp thinks to themselves wow
>this
> > >guy has
> > > > taken this skill far beyond I have seen it used before.
> > > > What i'm saying is that Derren knows people will spend ages
>trying
> > >to find
> > > > out about interupting patterns because according to the theory
> > >these kinds
> > > > of things do work and they do work. But that is not what is
> > >happening here.
> > > > DOnt get me wrong I believe that with some pre-show covert
>hypnosis
> > >and a
> > > > pre installed suggestion could have been the method used but its
> > >unlikely.
> > > > Think about it the first woman was set up when derren went up
>with
> > >the first
> > > > ticket. "oh yeah sorry you have won" she is obvious with her
>smile.
> > >The
> > > > second woman in order for it to be what derren wants us to
>believe
> > >it was
> > > > i.e pattern inturrept, confusion and subliminal commands then
>this
> > >pattern
> > > > interupt would have had to generate a visual hallucination as
>she
> > >was
> > > > reading the machine.
> > > > I'm not saying she wasn't duped necessarily but I am saying it
> > >can't be done
> > > > without some pre-show work and If I was derren and i wanted to
>do a
> > >trick
> > > > like that as part of one of my shows then I would surely think
>of
> > >an easier
> > > > and RELIABLE method. Think about it with clear eyes if that were
> > >true then
> > > > derren would be working for MI5 not channel 4.
> > > > In fact he wouldnt be working at all he'd be at the dog's 24-7.
> > > > THe fact that we spend time reading up on pattern interrupts is
>a
> > >credit to
> > > > his performance his book pure effect clearly states that he aims
> > >for his
> > > > audiences to have some idea of how it was done at the end of his
> > >shows.
> > > > "Decide what it would look like of you could really do it. Hint
>at
> > >the
> > > > method you would use if you really could do it and let them draw
> > >conclusions
> > > > for themselves"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: gordo_ala_moore
> > > > >Reply-To:
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: General stuff on MC3
> > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:05:24 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >The pattern (unit of operation performed by the subconscious),
> > >could
> > > > >be the woman's entire night, or her serving of each individual
> > > > >punter, but more then likely it is the processing of each
>ticket.
> > >I
> > > > >still have my reservations about the first time he bangs on the
> > > > >glass, I believe with this one, the woman is playing along.
>The
> > > > >second woman on the other hand, the bang is used to startle the
> > > > >woman's subconscious making it receptive to the next
>suggestion.
> > > > >There are many waking suggestion tricks that utilise this, as
>well
> > >as
> > > > >several rapid inductions.
> > > > >
> > > > >I know what you are saying about interrupting the `pattern',
>when
> > > > >there is no clear pattern. But I bet if you asked the woman to
> > > > >describe a person she had just served, or on what race the
>previous
> > > > >ticket claimed was, she would not be able to tell you. It is
> > >likely
> > > > >that a great deal of her actions doing such repetitive task,
>are
> > >out
> > > > >with her normal consciousness.
> > > > >On occasion when I would go to the supermarket, I would state
>to
> > >the
> > > > >person at the checkout "Doesn't that awful background music
>drive
> > > > >you", and observer the expression on their face as they `wake
>up'.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheers, Gordon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In a previous message vlaca_malacca"
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > --- In a previous message gordo_ala_moore
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have always assumed the betting track was pure pattern
> > > > >interrupt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's where I have a problem.
> > > > > > What pattern is Derren interrupting? I can't make out any
> > >automatic
> > > > > > movement which is not normally interrupted. I can't see how
> > >banging
> > > > > > on a windowframe can do anything other than momentarily
>shock
> > >the
> > > > > > victim.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > P.S. is "tranceformations" any good, i have been
>swithering
> > >about
> > > > > > > forking out for a second hand "Hypnotic realities", but
>may by
> > > > > > > tranceformations instead. depending on your feedback. is
>it
> > > > > > > too "therapyish"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, 'Tranceformations' is the very first book I've read
>on the
> > > > > > subject of NLP, and I have taken many, many notes from it.
>It's
> > > > > > really just a transcription of a weekend at an NLP seminar
>with
> > > > > > Bandler et al. The first 100 pages are totally engrossing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Instead of forking out significant amounts of cash, I
>managed to
> > > > > > locate a copy in my University library (which has a price
> > >sticker
> > > > >of
> > > > > > £8.99 on the cover, while Amazon are selling 2nd hand
>versions
> > >for
> > > > > > £30-£40!). See if you can hypnotise a student and get a
>version
> > > > >that
> > > > > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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