Derren Brown: Archive
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From: happany
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 10:24am
Subject: Re: Grand Master 's Thoughts
Yeah, but why didn't they let US hear what the
Grand Master had to say about Derren's effect?
--- In a previous message Blue Chip wrote:
>
> In a private email, happany said:
>
> >I give up - how WOULD they feel ? Possibly best to keep these conversations public. That gives
everyone a
> chance to read and reply.
>
> Clearly, unless you are one of these people you can't know.
> So build a model for it.
>
> Martial arts: physical supremity
> Grand Master: somone much much better than you
> Expensive club (i mean, just LOOK at it - it's like no dojo that
I've ever
> been in): these people are dedicated and serious about it all
> All ready to conform: Look at the wide variety of outfits they are
not
> wearing. These people are paying to conform in a united way, to
the end of
> obeying the orders from the guy who dresses differently. Who is
the most
> uniquely dressed guy in the room?
>
> There are a dozen other reasons why this guy hits the deck so
violently,
> and they are all there to be seen. Derren does not hide this kind
of
> information. In fact he quite blatantly states that every single
aspect of
> every performance is carefully pre-calculated. Eg. "That gothic
feel we
> like to go for"
>
> The only piece of information which you may lack is that "chi"
(pronunced
> ch'ee or k'ee) the 'life force' or 'life energy' is well known and
> practiced by these people. I used to have a friend of mine who
could
> tickle my feet from the other side of a room (without my former
> knowledge). Take it as you find it, but if you want to know what
The
> Students thought, you have to take it as THEY find it.
>
> Did you take the time to watch it without sound and then listen to
it
> without picture? And on this occasion I would do it in THAT
order. Did
> you watch peoples eyes as intently are Derren claims to do? If you
really
> want to screw with your head, put some loud and unrelated music (no
lyrics
> please) and WATCH THE SCREEN AND IGNORE THE MUSIC, and while you
watch you
> will find that you become more and more aware of the people in the
room and
> the subtle movements they are making; each time you watch it you
will
> instinctively focus in on a different aspect of the performance so
that it
> remains interesting; you will notice the decor and uniforms; you
will watch
> the spectators during the candle demonstration; you will notice the
posture
> of the subject; you will notice the expression of horror on the
Grand
> Masters face; you will notice how Derren uses his feet and hips to
> influence the subject; and eventually you will even become aware of
a full
> camera crew taping you to be seen by millions...
>
> Ask yourself, why did Derren take mid teenage girls into an only-
recently
> disused local mental asylum and suggest that they would see weird
> things. Why not take a bunch of fifty year old financial directors
and a
> sit them in a park near the pond on a sunny Friday afternoon?
Wouldn't the
> effect be identical? Or maybe he could do it with a few of his
pissed
> mates in the pub one Saturday evening?
>
> Reality is what your five(/six) senses tell you it is. As long you
only
> 'look at life through your eyes' (excuse the cliché metaphor) you
will only
> see the world from one point of reality. To understand what Derren
is
> doing, you need to start looking at how other people see the world -
what
> philosophies or beliefs do they have that you don't (or vice
versa). NLP
> will help you to learn how to do this. But "the map is not the
territory",
> knowing how to do it and being able to do it are two very different
> things. I'm sure you know how chess pieces move, but that alone
does not
> mean you can play chess to a competent degree.
>
> Any wiser?
>
> So long,
>
> Bc
| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 1796: Re: Grand Master 's Thoughts | gilraenc | gilraenc | Fri 06/12/2002 | 2 KB |
| 1798: Re: Grand Master 's Thoughts | happany | happany | Fri 06/12/2002 | 3 KB |
| 1820: Re: Grand Master 's Thoughts | killerb_0187 | killerb_0187 | Sat 07/12/2002 | 3 KB |
| 1807: Re: Grand Master 's Thoughts | ganetauk | ganetauk | Fri 06/12/2002 | 3 KB |
