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From: Derek
Date: Mon May 12, 2003 9:48pm
Subject: Re: You're all very attractive...
Exactly right, It's somewhere in the middle! 8^)
--- In a previous message, cannibal787
wrote:
> Hi Derek,
>
> I still can't agree that David Copperfield claims to walk through
> walls, but I suppose he can't really claim it's anything but an
> illusion with a great big screen hiding everything he does!
>
> However, I can't help but but disapointed if what Derren does is
just
> magic. I think this is where our opinions would differ. No offence
> intended but I just don't find magic that spectacular on it's own
so
> if I was certain that's all DB does I don't think I'd bother
watching
> in future. Until I could be sure though that everything he does is
> fake I will watch. On here I think people go too far one way or
the
> other - Either everything he does is fake, or it's all genuine,
the
> REAL thing. In my (Completely un-educated opinion) it's somewhere
in
> between - some magic and some psychology.
>
> Of course I'm probably completey wrong on the matter!
>
> --- In a previous message, Derek
> wrote:
> > Sorry, just one more wee thought on cannibal787's post which
read;
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't agree with that. The difference is that Blaine and
> > Copperfield don't actually claim that they are levitating or
> walking
> > through stuff.
> >
> > If the ad guy thing was completely fake I'd be quite pissed
> off 'cos
> > that isn't impressive in the slightest. Anyone could do that.
> >
> > BTW, what evidence is there that it was faked?!?
> >
> >
> > 1. The Ad Guy programme. Think back to when you first saw that
> > programme, didn't you go, like, "wow that's shit hot!!" first
when
> > Derren revealed his prediction from a sealed envelope and again
> when
> > you saw all the preperation for the subliminal images....YES!!
> >
> > Right you enjoyed the show. That's what it's all about.
> > Entertainment.
> >
> > 2. "Anyone could do that!!" Probably yes. But no-one else
did.
> > The brillianly imaginative mind of DB did. In retrospect anyone
> can
> > say "anyone could do that" Yeah! So why didn't they? You could
> also
> > apply that statement to 50% of magic tricks if you knew how they
> were
> > done. How ever simple the machanics of an effect, if it WOW's
an
> > audience then it doesn't matter.
> >
> > 3. What evidence is there that it was faked. EXACTLY. What
> > evidence is there that any of DB's stuff, on or off stage is
> faked.
> > Okay we've seen DB use a clipboard, can anyone PROVE it was a
trick
> > one?
> >
> > Now I'm not being naive and gonna say it was all on the level
but
> > unless we KNOW we'll spin ideas round forever.
> >
> > This forum is picking apart a persons act and some are being
> > disappointed by the results. This is not real life. We are all
in
> > the priviledged position to use the magical minds amoung us to
> > unravel the MAGIC that Derren created when we first saw him.
The
> > general public are not in this positio. They see the magic and
are
> > entertained by it and DB is a great magician. Unravel the
secrets
> > onf ANY magician and you are gonna be disappointed.
> >
> > One last point that came from a different post about people who
say
> > they know how somethings done but don't tell. YES, I have DB's
> > second half sussed. The reasons I will not expose it are as
follows
> >
> > 1. DB asked us not to discuss the second half.
> > 2. The effects are not mine to give away.
> > 3. This is not a forum for 'magicians only' and therefore the
> > disussion of methods of MAGIC (unlike NLP etc) effects is not
> > appropriate.
> >
> > This is my opinion and I hope you will respect it.
