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From: nxnzerx
Date: Fri May 9, 2003 12:07am
Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: You're all very attractive...
JD - the effect being discussed is Reminisce, in all it guises. My
comment was meant as a sarcastic remark in response to Bobby's
whine. The fortuitous appearance of Dale and his lucid observation
started a chain of thoughts cascading through my brain. I present my
thoughts in the agreed upon Collins Junior Dictionary standard.
The vast majority of DBs effects are based upon the premise of
duality. What the participant experiences and what the audience sees
are two very different things. On top of that, what Derren leads the
participant to think is occuring also differs from what he is making
the audience think he is doing.
The best example I can think of is the performance of Reminisce with
the German assistant (I can't remember the name of the video). For
those of you that have it, listen to what Derren says.
Frame it in the "I'm the blindfolded assistant plucked from the
audience" mentality and then listen again with a "I'm in the
audience watching coconut boy read someones mind". You will be
surprised at how different the two mental pictures you arrive at
are.
His language and structure is vague enough to be interpreted in two
different ways but specific enough to leave no doubt. It's like a
hitherto unused application of Cold Reading.
Once you start thinking about his most puzzling effects with this
mentality (Ganetauk, something you could use for the Derren Brown
model you were working on?) it really makes you think, as well as
smile :)
Think about the "When I say now you will not be able to pick the
girl up" effect with the boxers. During MC night DB offered
commentary on some of his effects. His statements regarding this
particular effect were "I'm sure you picked up on the double meaning
of the word wait" - suggesting that he had weakend the boxers with
his language. The truth is that it has nothing to do with him or his
antics but more to do with his assistant. (Check out the Georgia
Magnet effect for all those that are interested, it has been covered
extensively in this group)
I could type and type until my fingers became bloody stumps about
what this method of thinking has revealed in my analysis of DBs
effects, but this post is already quite long...
Dale, thank you for the reply that sparked my cognitive flame and
Bobby - thanks for the post that started the discussion. JD -
"Whilst, as you know, I'm not keen on talking about methods" is the
understatement of the year ;) Please don't insert books into my
various orficies for this post that may stray too close to the truth
It appears, any explanation that Derren offers is a huge fat lie
designed to cause convoluted discussion in groups like this one. The
truth lies in a marriage betwixt the appearance of the effect and
the interpretation of the effect. Somewhere, in this murky grey area
sits Derren Brown laughing manically devising more effects...
--- In a previous message, jamesdavidson_99
wrote:
> Which effect are we now talking about? I don't recall seeing this
at
> all...
>
> Whilst, as you know, I'm not keen on talking about methods, I
think
> you're barking up the wrong tree if you think DB pays people to
look
> surprised...he's more subtle than that.
>
> JD
>
>
> --- In a previous message, nxnzerx
> wrote:
> > I heard that Derren works out the name of a persons friend by
> asking
> > them off camera. When they film it he gives them ten pounds to
act
> > surprised.
> >
> > If you think about it, that would explain it.
> >
> > --- In a previous message, bobby"
wrote:
> > > I thought this group was supposed to swap ideas on how DB does
> his
> > tricks, influences people, guesses the name of a persons friend
> just
> > by looking at them and the rest ........and not chatting utter
crap
> > >
> > > Please delete me this is just to borin
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: mailto:nxnzerx interception@m...
> > > To: derrenbrown@y...
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:40 AM
> > > Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: You're all very attractive...
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it a tractor?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In a previous message, hypersang
> > > wrote:
> > > > Robin Martin:
> > > > -------------
> > > > I would like to apologise for accusing you of being Dale
> > Kingston.
> > > >
> > > > I stopped researching when Tom(MartinMind) mentioned his
> > brother
> > > and
> > > > instantly I thought it made sense and assumed it was you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > miss_i_adler:
> > > > -------------
> > > > Yes it would be very shabby if Robin was to buy this book
and
> > tell
> > > > everyone but THAT NEVER HAPPENED because I have spoke to
> Robin
> > > many
> > > > times on MSN Messenger and not once did he expose
anything. I
> > > don't
> > > > believe he has exposed to this group either, it wouldn't
be a
> > good
> > > > idea as he has already stated - it does not benefit him in
> any
> > way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > James Davidson:
> > > > ---------------
> > > > Yes you are right - I shouldn't have concluded too quickly
> > about
> > > this
> > > > Robin.M = Dale.K business. I have learned my lesson from
> > this...
> > > In
> > > > future I will keep my views to myself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > nxnzerx:
> > > > --------
> > > >
> > > > If I had spent another 5 minutes looking through a few
posts
> > that
> > > > Robin and Tom did I would have not come to the same
> > conclusion!
> > > >
> > > > * Tom was the one who posts about Derren Brown's hollow
leg!
> > > > * Robin's and Dale writing style are completely different!
> > > >
> > > > Which is why I said Robin was a genius for pulling this
stunt
> > off
> > > had
> > > > it of been him!
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Once again I do apologise to Robin, good luck with your
exams
> > and
> > > I
> > > > do hope I haven't stressed you too much over this.
> > > >
> > > > Huge mistake and I deeply am sorry for the
misunderstanding!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all for listening,
> > > >
> > > > Sang
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 5255: Re: You're all very attractive... | dale_kingstons_world_of_art | dale_kingstons_world_of_art | Fri 09/05/2003 | 3 KB |
| 5256: Advertising Agency Scam | jeczalik_langan_morley | jeczalik_langan_morley | Fri 09/05/2003 | 2 KB |
| 5258: Georgia Magnet (boxer lift effect) ...was Re: You're all very attra | Paulo Romani | paulo_romani | Fri 09/05/2003 | 2 KB |
| 5260: Re: Georgia Magnet (boxer lift effect) ...was Re: You're all very a | Paulo Romani | paulo_romani | Fri 09/05/2003 | 3 KB |
| 5259: Re: Advertising Agency Scam | Paulo Romani | paulo_romani | Fri 09/05/2003 | 3 KB |
| 5262: Re: Advertising Agency Scam | jeczalik_langan_morley | jeczalik_langan_morley | Fri 09/05/2003 | 2 KB |
| 5263: Re: Advertising Agency Scam | Paulo Romani | paulo_romani | Fri 09/05/2003 | 2 KB |
| 5286: Re: Advertising Agency Scam | Plum Chum | plum_chum | Sat 10/05/2003 | 4 KB |
| 5287: Re: London show - FRONT ROW TICKETS | trimbug | trimbug | Sat 10/05/2003 | 2 KB |
