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From: ganetauk
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 9:08pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Digest Number 306
Hello Rex,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, very interesting
and useful ideas. I am sure the other members here found it
interesting too.
Regards Terry
--- In a previous message Rex Steven Sikes wrote:
> Hopefully I can help shed some light -
>
> Good questions - first I don't model dead people unless they are
caught on tape, or I am certain that their written works were penned
by the
> person alone. I may wish to get as many different views of the
person from a wide variety of sources and build a theoretical model
of what, and
> how the person may have done what they have done but I wouldn't
consider it true modeling because the model is actually gone. Clues
may give us
> insight but I differentiate between learning form someone that we
can actually go to - to discover their patterns and learning about
someone who
> is no longer around but may have left some vital clues or that
there are others with various opinions.
>
> As for modeling those around. Yes I utilize all the NLP
distinctions but first and foremost I review the model over and over
again. I just watch.
> Say video tape - I may watch dozens or hundreds of times. I also
make sure to find more than one model who is good at what they do.
The notion of
> three is good. Because for me modeling is comparing - finding what
is similar between the models and contrasting finding the difference
that makes
> the difference - that provides the edge.
>
> I do use meta model questions etc. But first I ask what is the
model doing - I try to define it - what is the model's purpose and I
attempt to
> answer that from what I can see - what big chunk answer do I come
up with. For example - a comic let's say we decide that the purpose
is to make
> people laugh - then I ask the questions like - how does the comic
get them to laugh, what is the comic doing - when does the comic do
it - what is
> the structure of the jokes - how does the comic use face, body,
voice etc.
>
> In other words I go after why they are doing it - are they getting
the result they want - how do they get the result - what is involved
and I
> chunk it down from there. I compare this to the other models. ANd
what they do that is unique - the contrast.
>
> I analyze everything in light of my assigned purpose. If the model
is available you can actually ask them what their purpose is - in
their
> absences assign one and see if everything you do holds up in light
of the purpose or outcome you assign.
>
> dealing with the comic - I look at the interaction with the
audience, the rapport, the set ups, the story content structure, the
punch line, the
> anchors and refiring of anchors, tie back to previous jokes - I
take each element and attempt to figure out what the necessary tools
are (NLP wise
> or other jargon) and list them. Build a paper model of what are the
ingredients.
>
> And then I start trying things on - writing jokes in the person's
style, using their rhythm and inflection patterns, moving like them
etc. until I
> have captured the essence of the model. Then I try the other models
on. THen I go back and refine and delete what isn't necessary - and
streamline
> the 3 into one - so that I can come up with an original utilizing
what I have learned rather than arriving at carbon copies.
>
> I then take the elements and attempt to teach someone (people) in a
short time to think act and perform like a stand up comic - if
successful I
> then move forward - if not - back to the drawing board. When
successful I then have a working model for stand up.
>
> It is easier to chunk things in terms of task - behavior, energy,
pre-performance state, state during performance, use of stage,
anchors, what
> makes something funny etc. Yes there is more but this is pretty
much basic to what I do as a modeler. I try things on a lot ... walk
a mile in the
> other's shoes...
>
> I hope this helps a bit and I hope it answers your question.
>
> Enjoy!
> Rex
>
> >
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:57:59 -0000
> > From: ganetauk
> > Subject: Re: Questions to answer
> >
> > Hello Rex,
> >
> > Yes, I thought you simply forgot...its easy to do. Maybe the
others
> > even forgot that they asked a question, I wouldn't be able to say.
> >
> > Personally my question was...(I did try to look for the other
> > member's questions but could not find them)
> > ______________________
> >
> > Do YOU have a process or system for modelling genius/experts etc?
> > (maybe six steps or something, I don't know) If I had to stand in
for
> > YOU as you modelled someone, what would I have to do in my mind?
Ie.
> > What would I be looking, listening for etc.
> >
> > Also, a tag question if you like, if you are modelling someone
who is
> > not around...say, for example, Leonardo Da Vinci...what do YOU
look
> > for in the clues they leave behind?
> > ____________________
> >
> > I look forwards to your thoughts or answers on that question/s.
> >
> > Thank you very much Rex,
> >
> > Regards Terry
> >
> > --- In a previous message Rex Steven Sikes wrote:
> > > You know Metamind you are correct I did not answer questions
asked.
> > I did forget.
> > > If those people would kindly re-post their questions I'd be
happy
> > to attempt answers.
> > > Thanks for reminding me - I was in office today - received email
> > and posted it to group.
> > > Mostly been away on the road. So thank you. I am sorry that I
don't
> > know what the
> > > questions asked were.
> > >
> > > Rex
> > >
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