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From: Rex Steven Sikes
Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 7:13pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Digest Number 306
Hopefully I can help shed some light -
Good questions - first I don't model dead people unless they are caught on
tape, or I am certain that their written works were penned by the
person alone. I may wish to get as many different views of the person from a
wide variety of sources and build a theoretical model of what, and
how the person may have done what they have done but I wouldn't consider it
true modeling because the model is actually gone. Clues may give us
insight but I differentiate between learning form someone that we can actually
go to - to discover their patterns and learning about someone who
is no longer around but may have left some vital clues or that there are others
with various opinions.
As for modeling those around. Yes I utilize all the NLP distinctions but first
and foremost I review the model over and over again. I just watch.
Say video tape - I may watch dozens or hundreds of times. I also make sure to
find more than one model who is good at what they do. The notion of
three is good. Because for me modeling is comparing - finding what is similar
between the models and contrasting finding the difference that makes
the difference - that provides the edge.
I do use meta model questions etc. But first I ask what is the model doing - I
try to define it - what is the model's purpose and I attempt to
answer that from what I can see - what big chunk answer do I come up with. For
example - a comic let's say we decide that the purpose is to make
people laugh - then I ask the questions like - how does the comic get them to
laugh, what is the comic doing - when does the comic do it - what is
the structure of the jokes - how does the comic use face, body, voice etc.
In other words I go after why they are doing it - are they getting the result
they want - how do they get the result - what is involved and I
chunk it down from there. I compare this to the other models. ANd what they do
that is unique - the contrast.
I analyze everything in light of my assigned purpose. If the model is available
you can actually ask them what their purpose is - in their
absences assign one and see if everything you do holds up in light of the
purpose or outcome you assign.
dealing with the comic - I look at the interaction with the audience, the
rapport, the set ups, the story content structure, the punch line, the
anchors and refiring of anchors, tie back to previous jokes - I take each
element and attempt to figure out what the necessary tools are (NLP wise
or other jargon) and list them. Build a paper model of what are the ingredients.
And then I start trying things on - writing jokes in the person's style, using
their rhythm and inflection patterns, moving like them etc. until I
have captured the essence of the model. Then I try the other models on. THen I
go back and refine and delete what isn't necessary - and streamline
the 3 into one - so that I can come up with an original utilizing what I have
learned rather than arriving at carbon copies.
I then take the elements and attempt to teach someone (people) in a short time
to think act and perform like a stand up comic - if successful I
then move forward - if not - back to the drawing board. When successful I then
have a working model for stand up.
It is easier to chunk things in terms of task - behavior, energy,
pre-performance state, state during performance, use of stage, anchors, what
makes something funny etc. Yes there is more but this is pretty much basic to
what I do as a modeler. I try things on a lot ... walk a mile in the
other's shoes...
I hope this helps a bit and I hope it answers your question.
Enjoy!
Rex
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:57:59 -0000
> From: ganetauk
> Subject: Re: Questions to answer
>
> Hello Rex,
>
> Yes, I thought you simply forgot...its easy to do. Maybe the others
> even forgot that they asked a question, I wouldn't be able to say.
>
> Personally my question was...(I did try to look for the other
> member's questions but could not find them)
> ______________________
>
> Do YOU have a process or system for modelling genius/experts etc?
> (maybe six steps or something, I don't know) If I had to stand in for
> YOU as you modelled someone, what would I have to do in my mind? Ie.
> What would I be looking, listening for etc.
>
> Also, a tag question if you like, if you are modelling someone who is
> not around...say, for example, Leonardo Da Vinci...what do YOU look
> for in the clues they leave behind?
> ____________________
>
> I look forwards to your thoughts or answers on that question/s.
>
> Thank you very much Rex,
>
> Regards Terry
>
> --- In a previous message Rex Steven Sikes wrote:
> > You know Metamind you are correct I did not answer questions asked.
> I did forget.
> > If those people would kindly re-post their questions I'd be happy
> to attempt answers.
> > Thanks for reminding me - I was in office today - received email
> and posted it to group.
> > Mostly been away on the road. So thank you. I am sorry that I don't
> know what the
> > questions asked were.
> >
> > Rex
> >
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| 3456: Re: Digest Number 306 | Rex Steven Sikes | rex_steven_sikes | Sun 16/03/2003 | 7 KB |
| 3458: Re: Digest Number 306 | ganetauk | ganetauk | Sun 16/03/2003 | 8 KB |
