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From: Blue Chip
Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 2:09am
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Actual Tips On How To Do The DB Stuff !
>FOR INFO, not all the orignal post is here (useful to know sometimes)
yes, I should "<SNIP>" ;)
> > Try "back" next time - sometimes you get lucky and it is still
>there - cut
> > to clipboard and you're away :)
>
>Yes tried going back, it was totally empty :/
You can always send email by using Outlook/Eudora/etc. Just address your
email to
derrenbrown @ yahoogroups.com (no spaces) - for more info contact me
offboard :)
> > was this the trick when "isssssssssabel" had to guess a letter
>which was
> > -not- the -first- letter of her name.
> >
> > say "ssssssssss" as you write
> >
> > say "i am trying to suggest something to you" and glimpse toward
>your hands
> > with fingers knitted into an S shape
> >
> > Take either hand
> > ask: "are you left handed?"
> > wait for answer
> > say "oh my mistake"
> > take other hand
>
>OK Yeah I guess thats what he was doing, I made some of it up
"made it up" is a good way to proceed - if that was your presentation, you
are doing well :)
>actually cause I couldn't quite remember, but I have a fairly good
>feel for the technique... I don't qute get you on the 'Take either
>hand' part, what do u mean? Thanks for the fast reply!
I think it is intended to deepen the trance-state, her 'attentiveness' to him.
Ie. He is about to tailor his trick for her personally (not)
The more you can shut out the outside world, the better off you are.
> > >3. Hand on table.. (like one of them radio shows)
> > >I don't know how to make this work really, but briefly, "put your
> > >hand on the table. Push it into the table hard! (thats important
> > >methinks). Look at me." Look at them! A bit below their eyes, you
> > >want to speak to their sub-conscious. Say in authoritive
>voice "When
> > >I snap my fingers/pick my nose etc. you will be unable to lift your
> > >hand. No matter how hard you try to UNSTICK your hand it will
>remain
> > >FIRMLY STUCK to the table, the harder you try, the more it presses
> > >into the table." Try waving your hand while doing this, and then
> > >while picking your nose, wave your hand again and challenge them
> > >to 'try lifting their hand'. Can this work?? Am I missing
>something??
> > >The same for memory loss, get them to recall what its like to lose
> > >their memory, when they do, perform an action you can use again to
> > >make them forget (hand wave), also telling them they will not
> > >remember their name (or how to spell it or how old they are)... but
> > >this hasn't worked for me (tried 1 person!)
> >
> > try to repeat derrens patter word-for-word, pace-for-pace and
> > tonality-for-tonality; be quick and clearly spoken; my fave is "the
>hard
> > YOU TRY IN VAIN" - you can also anchor the state to a some finger
>waggling
> > if you like.
>
>Yeah I get you there, I remember him saying that, i listened a few
>times & it was one of those bits he said quite mumbled, does that
>help alot?
he then follows with "now TRY to lift your hand" you replace that with "try
in vain"
when Olga forgets her first name - she damn near repeats his patter
verbatim to assist in descibing how she felt. Gooooood state control :)
>It doesnt seem like very good language to use, you kinda
>have to think about that more to understand it no?
hmm, well I personally just plain disagree there, to "try in vain" is a
very comfortable phrase for me - not at all alien in nature >:| hmm
> Or is that the point?
Metric/whoever, you might like to try this as you read so that you can
understand it more fully - or, you may wish to just read it and say
"whatever <shrug>" at the end. I let you choose:
Put your hand on the desk.
Press down firmly for a count of 20 or 30
Hold your hand there as you read this paragraph. The above 30seconds is
normally where you put all your suggestion, but this ain't gonna work the
same way in an email.
So, let's skip the babble - Imagine that your hand quite genuinely IS stuck
to the desk.
okay? stuck it there?
Right. Now **TRY** to lift it, and the more you **TRY IN VAIN**, the more
you will find it stuck.
?following me?
Righty.
Now say (out load please - i'd like a predicate reframe) "one two three"
and LIFT YOUR HAND now.
"free will returns to your hand"
<game over>
If you played along it just worked on you -almost- as well as it worked on
Olga. When you listen to DB, listen to how much effort he puts in to
getting her to play along - not knowing what is coming. When you play
along, it works - it just does! The art is in suggesting that YOU WANT TO
PLAY ALONG without stating it toooo obviously.
Think about the 3diamonds force - the same thing - suggest it in as many
ways as possible - but only in ways which are understood by the right brain
- if the left brain gets a whiff of what is happening free will will return
too soon.
This can sound knightmarishly difficult, but once the penny drops you can
talk crap for england :)
>They try but they will be thinking 'my efforts are in vain'?
yep - so nothing happens :)
>Did you mean the harder you try in vain or is it good to confuse them
>with slightly off grammer?
lol "grammer"
No, you embed the command "try in vain" to the right brain, and say "try"
to the left brain. The left brain attempts to retrieve a definition for
"try" and gets the last entry (reverse-chronologically speaking) "try... in
vain" from the right brain.
Watch their eyes - you will know when it has worked - it's like falling out
of a double-decker bus on the severn bridge - you have no idea what it
would be like - but be assured, if it happens you will be in no doubt as to
what is happening! :-)
>PS did u try much of this? If so...
Yes. Success. <shrugs>
Bc
| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 3302: Re: Actual Tips On How To Do The DB Stuff ! | mat_2001mat | mat_2001mat | Tue 11/03/2003 | 3 KB |
| 3308: Re: Tips etc. On Doing The DB Stuff ! | metric2009 | metric2009 | Tue 11/03/2003 | 3 KB |
| 3315: Re: Tips etc. On Doing The DB Stuff ! | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Tue 11/03/2003 | 4 KB |
| 3316: Re: Tips etc. On Doing The DB Stuff ! | metric2009 | metric2009 | Tue 11/03/2003 | 2 KB |
