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From: Blue Chip
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:55pm
Subject: Photoreading and martial arts
oops, bloomin' group will SEND me STYLED emails, but will not let me send
them back.
Is this a group option that can be changed by a moderator please?
So, again, it looks like I am replying to myself. ho hum...
>>First of all, I'm a black belt in kung fu having
>>trained in it for 10 years, so I'm aware...;)
>
>No sarcasm: Well done mate - that last belt is no mean feat.
>I only highlighted the knees as I felt that your addition (of elbows)
>seemed to imply that it was exclusive. And I didn't want to chance other
>less experienced members for falling into the same trap.
>
>>Also, the photoreading thing? Two things; first in
>>magic there is an entire genre of 'mentalism' called
>>'book tests' (apologies if I'm patronising anyone
>>here),
>
>Not at all - I think it is important that we don't forget that there are
>'newbies' in this forum :)
>
>Has anybody here used "the mother of all book tests" If so, I would love
>to know if you feel that it was worth the investment - or is it -just- yet
>another variation?
>
>> where the effect is exactly that of Derrens.
>>Second, in his video 'the Devils picturebook', he
>>states that 'if I'm doing a book test I'll take 20
>>minutes to pretend to photoread it before doing the
>>test'.
>
>A transcript of approx the last 45 seconds of the Devil's Picturebook:
>
>DB: "If I do a book test, I do it by photoreading the book first. You
>know, I'll sit for 20 minutes reading through the book... and then say "oh
>go on, test me open it up anywhere you like..." and that makes sense of
>the book test. As opposed to saying ..."
>
>>Evidence enough?
>
>It would be if he had actually said that which you claim.
>
>>The psychological approach that he uses is dressing in
>>some cases, an attempt to present magic and mentalism
>>in a way that doesn't give the performer supernatural
>>powers. Not in all cases, but in some.
>
>He IS truly good at what he does. And if nothing else, he is inspirational.
>
>>--- Blue Chip wrote:
>>
>><HR>
>>At 07:59 09/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>> >Far be it for me to underestimate the value of
>> >suggestions.
>>
>>LOL ;-)
>>
>> > Merely stating that this is a leverage
>> >technique. Even bending the knees makes no odds, as
>> >the effort is still expended in the correct direction,
>> >whereas pushing on the elbows sends it somewhere else.
>>
>>I had not thought about the elbows - I will definitely try this - you will
>>move a bunch of force to the less powerful triceps for a start.
>>
>>But I absolutely assure you that when you learn Judo (or Jujitsu or several
>>other arts) you are taught from a very early stage, how to counter a whole
>>bunch of lifts/throws by simply bending your knees - the 'major shoulder
>>throw' is the best example of this.
>>
>>I noticed that the girl is wearing baggy trousers too. So it's difficult
>>to confirm - but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>>
>> >Not everything he does is suggestion, you know. In the
>> >same way the the 'photo reading' effect isn't photo
>> >reading.
>>
>>ohhh - that's a claim and a half - any insights to support it?
>>
>> >That's not to say that photo reading isn't
>> >possible, (again, who am i...), but that wasn't how it
>> >was done.
>>
>>DB has clearly listened to the Photoreading course, and if you do also, you
>>will see why I say that. But let me say that I think you're most likely
>>RIGHT - ie. DB is bluffing it (incredibly well, but bluffing it
>>nonetheless.) Photoreading is truly incredible when you get it to work,
>>but it's all frame-of-mind and it can be tricky to achieve, certainly when
>>you start anyway. There are apparently far easier ways to achieve this
>>effect without developing advanced mental skills.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >--- Blue Chip wrote:
>> >
>> ><HR>
>> >
>> > >But the boxing lift isn't anything to do with hypnosis
>> > >is it? Its just simple physics.
>> >
>> >Don't underestimate the power of suggestion.
>> >
>> >If you have just asked yourself "why? what do you (think you) know?" or
>> >something similar, then re-read the previous line again. Is it a
>> >suggestion that you have just gone along with, or is it a blatant
>> >instruction that you have just obeyed? And more scary, is there a
>> >difference? And how many times a day can you catch yourself doing just
>> >this kind of thing to others? Trust me, YOU DO!
>> >
>> >However, in this case, simply bending your knees is far more efficient
>> >(effort vs. result).
>> >
>> >On the other hand, I have seen experienced martial artists, who can achieve
>> >this and similar effects with quite awe inspiring results - something that
>> >goes way beyond bending your knees.
>>
>>
>>
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| Replies | Author | Yahoo! ID | Date | Size |
| 2307: Re: Photoreading and martial arts | Rob Dobson | northerncomfortuk | Fri 10/01/2003 | 2 KB |
| 2308: Re: Photoreading | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Fri 10/01/2003 | 3 KB |
| 2309: Re: Photoreading | Rob Dobson | northerncomfortuk | Fri 10/01/2003 | 6 KB |
| 2355: Re: Photoreading | Blue Chip | cs_bluechip | Mon 13/01/2003 | 8 KB |
