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From: Blue Chip
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 4:20am
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Thank you Ganetauk, Harry and "the one" ! Here's Some notes on method...
>The one that is eluding me (unless my _guess_ is
>right) is the "put it in
>the hand that feels right and leave the one that's
>left empty. That's my
>left of course, but don't let me influence you."
>I'm guessing that this is a confusion method to cover
>what he is actually
>doing. Maybe there is a subtle tonality that I am
>missing. Any ideas?
>
>----------------------------------------
>
>I love your guess! And of course it's right! I imagine
>you have fantastic intuition and rarely have major
>arguments with people but are sometimes not the very
>confident and "together" person other people sometimes
>seem to think of you as being! Can you see what I'm
>talking about??
LOL <cynicism> Is that Aries or Capricorn </cynicism>
[[reply to text below this point...]]
He uses exactly the same patter with the guy on the pier in MC3, so if you
want to check out the body language, it's available. And he DOES make a
bunch of (in this case) right (their right) hand gestures - and the guy
DOES put it in his right hand. hmm.
This is a great break down of your thoughts and I hope others find it as a
good a read as I did.
Although hopefully they won't burst out laughing at 04:00hrs and wake their
gf!! I really wasn't expecting the first joke ;)
>I have a few ideas of my own that help me to
>understand more clearly what it is we're both
>attempting to describe. I'd like to write them here
>for you now.
>
>I think the sentence Derren uses with the radio DJ, Jo
>Whiley:
>
>"put it in
>the hand that feels right and leave the one that's
>left empty. That's my
>left of course, but don't let me influence you."
>
>is a typical (but in this case, purposefully not
>eloquent or subtle) example of what is normally
>described in NLP terminology as a MILTON MODEL
>STRUCTERE type sentence. In closer terms, this can be
>the use of what Dr. Erickson described as "the art of
>being vague"
>
>The basic structure of this sentence overuses
>AMBIGUITY to CONFUSE and DISTRACT Jo Whiley. While
>subtle use of AMBIGITY is highly effective
>sub-liminally (beyond the threshold of conscious
>response), Derren purposefully overuses it here to
>effect three different systems:
>
>- He is appealing to Jo's metal map where Jo wants to
>let Derren know that she's more AWARE of his methods
>than most. This is my interpretation, based on the
>entire interview conversation leading UP to this Point
>in Time in the broadcast. Making this MORE obvious
>gives her a perfect but insignificant leverage. We
>could refer to this as a "venting" system.
>
>- He is DISTRACTING Jo by making her inadvertedly pay
>attention to the WORDs he is saying rather than the
>non-verbal signals I imagine he was using at that
>time. This is targeted to her conscious
>"word-analysis" system, distracting her from her
>conscious (but mostly unconscious) "non-verbal
>analysis" system.
>
>- And finally, He is appealing to her "Humour" system
>by obviously dramatising the created theme of
>CONFUSION, a theme which is the perspective of the
>whole trick. People find word ambiguities funny. Take
>this joke, for example:
>
>"What's the difference between an egg and a wank?"
>
> "You can't beat a wank!"
>
>This is a play on the syntactic ambiguity of the word
>BEAT.
>
>Now you figure out this one:
>
>"What's the difference between anal sex and oral sex?"
>
> "A blow job makes your whole day, but
>anal sex makes your hole week"
>
>
>This involes a Phonetic Ambiguity.
>
>The sense of humor appeal does 3 things: It distracts,
>developes rapport and blows the ego-defence barriers
>away for a brief moment. These are helpful.
>
>
>so You see now, why Derren's taken 10 years to be able
>to Understand this stuff in a SIGNIFICANT and USEFUL
>way!!Take it easy on yourself, you're going to get there
>either way.
>
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