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From: ganetauk
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:49am
Subject: Re: For Terry the NLPer!
"as for "Reading face cues when the person is thinking of something"
I don't agree. It could be misinterpreted as the EAC's normally are.
You must calibrate each state to a specific pattern. "
...hmmm i think you "mismapped" me alittle here, of course i agree,
one must calibrate...i think i wrote above that "You must be in
rapport" ...calibration and rapport drive these things, as you
already know. So, in fact, we agree on the calibration, i should have
made it more obvious in my writing.
These "j sh ch dg soft g, z s soft c, t d, etc." are various
consonant sounds that I grouped together from modelling DB. Looking
for these cues, will help you read the person. "shout it in your
mind" ...and you might see these cues on the person's lips etc. Start
by asking a person to think of a colour and you will be able, with
practice, to see these cues and "workout" what they are thinking.
(add suggestions like "say it loud in your mind, shout it" and "don't
SAY IT OUT LOUD") One more thing..you muuuust make sure they dont
answer your suggestions or talk...ie. "shout it in your mind" and
they say "i am"..this messes with the cues as you are learning to
read them.
"I will give you THE biggest clue" is a very effective
Bandlerism." :o), i guess, its easy to pick up ideas and phrases on
the unconscious level ha? :o)
Does that clear things up?
Regards Terry
--- In a previous message steve shannon wrote:
> by the way (i wont say "which way?"...and "who is by
> it"..nor will i
> speak of possible techniques for creating "new ways"
> etc lol...i will
> end that here..(where?)..lol) does anyone here know of
> the technique
> of a..."thought virus"...robert dilts' book "sleight
> of mouth" has
> the information. www.nlpu.com has an online NLP
> ...biiiiigggg book
> too...again byyyyy the way (same way?)
> advanced NLPers here? if so you will like the
> following...I found
> that you can use the Metamodel (in real life
> conversation) to break
> down a person's mental map to such a point that you
> can give them
> a "major" (explicit, obvious) suggestion.
> I modelled the pattern from a guy Ed Douge. Basic
> details - Use
> metamodel questions, three times - FAST...(must be in
> rapport, or you
> really!!!! mess up lol)...then you just say your
> suggestion right
> out, again MUST BE FAST.
> To work, you use this technique WITHIN normal
> conversation (i.e.
> normal conversation either side of technique). The
> metamodel
> questions should be quick, the person then goes inside
> to process,
> then you fire suggestion....thhhhen continue with
> conversation.
> Trust me, get good at this and you can have lots
> of..er..fun ;) The
> dustmen in my road put my bins back very nicely
> now...all i did was
> have a "quick/fast" chat :oP
> Reading face cues when the person is thinking of
> something?....clue...
> concentrate on the areas between eyes down to the TOP
> of the mouth.
> Specifically, watch the cheeks. Add to this colding
> reading
> techniques. You'll be able to master this skill with
> practice.
>
>
> Terry,
>
> I'm a master practitioner and have been modeling
> derren for the last few weeks. I've noticed the head
> nod as a rapport technique and I've noticed the very
> eloquent calibration techniques which turn into a real
> fireball when he triggers the same patterns he
> mirrors. example: the milton handshake on the girl at
> the opera (great confusion induction technique btw.)
> Talking to Paul Mckenna recently (i'm not a friend, I
> just happened to meet him after a show he did in
> Dublin. Imagine Dr. Bandler, Paul and myself drinking
> straight Irish whiskey all night!!) he was using all
> these very awkward (turbulent) reframes on the bar
> staff and I didn't understand why until he explained
> that his intention was to loop different states, and
> the awkward reframes helped to anchor the primary
> (frustration) It was great cuz they ended up letting
> us stay on in the bar after they'd left which was
> STRICTLY AGAINST COMPANY POLICY TO LEAVE FOR
> GUESTS(reframed to POLICY TO STRICTLY LEAVE GUESTS TO
> COMPANY!, fire off a few "home is where the heart is"
> metaphors and bob's your uncle!)
>
>
> I don't understand, however, what you mean by "I will
> give you THE biggest clue .. jshchdgsoft g zssoft
> ctdetc."
>
> BTW, read frogs recently? "I will
> give you THE biggest clue" is a very effective
> Bandlerism. I assume it was unconscious on you part?!!
>
> anyway, I don't know what you mean. so kindly explain.
> please?? :)
>
>
> as for "Reading face cues when the person is thinking
> of something" I don't agree. It could be
> misinterpreted as the EAC's normally are. You must
> calibrate each state to a specific pattern. And
> different people have.... (guess what i'm going to
> say!) different patterns!!
>
> So now. With those seven chunks of nice information
> let my thoughts go with you.
>
>
> Be Good,
>
> Steve
>
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