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From: Blue Chip
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 9:17am
Subject: Re: Martial arts scene
Also writing quickly....
With regard to the students choice of reaction. I feel that he is likely
to have the same reaction as the previous guy.
DB: "Master, punch this guy and make it look good"
bloke stands there (with pad) and just takes it.. for the sake of a demo
DB: "I will now do the same thing with someone else"
the students response is programmed.. stand there and take it
??
BTW. just because someone tells you something is hard, doesn't mean it
is... punching out a candle is stupidly easy.
^^^ This prefixed my mate lighting a candle and saying "go on... try it..."
I did, first time! and although I have done a little of other styles, my
chosen art is Jujitsu where little or no punching is taught.
At 02:04 20/12/02 +0000, you wrote:
>I am writing this quickly, i hope it is readable lol ....
>
>hhmmm from a martial art viewpoint....that makes one think
>really....if he'd been an excellent wingchun student...on seeing the
>incoming punch...he would have met it with his "seeking arm".
>(wingchun response)...however....
>
>You wrote "his reaction cannot be explained in terms of it being a
>normal reaction to a feigned punch."...yes, as I am sure you know,
>this guy's respond patterns to "how to react to an incoming punch"
>will probably be many because of the "training" and setting. (when i
>say many....i don't just mean, many "good" martial art responses..i
>also mean many "odd/unsure/nervous" responses)
>
>In his mind he might have wondered ....what do i do?....do i hit
>this "special guest"?....do i let him hit me?...do i use
>wingchun?....etc.
>
>I have often noticed these "multi-responds" when a student of martial
>arts meets a "master"...or in the case of Derren, a "special guest".
>
>Happening at such speed..the normal response from the student is a
>mix of unsure movements. (The reasons for these movements are often
>explained by the student right after ..."I thought he was going to"
>etc.)
>
>The stunt was repeated...now the student kinda knows what might
>happen right?..DB probably knows this..well, do you see the shock on
>the student's face when DB tells him he will stand behind
>him? ...darn, back to the drawing board with his (student's) unsure
>responses! lol
>
>(whats more, the school of wingchun the student was from has only one
>standard response to an attack from behind - basically, pushing both
>hands out...it comes from the first form in wingchun (the little
>idea)....how can he use this on the "guest"?!! lol) ("but i thought
>he was gonna hit me!" lol)
>
>How do you think the same student would have acted with the "wingchun
>master" applying a punch?...a more "martial art" response maybe?
>
>How do you think the "wingchun master" would have responded to an
>incoming punch from Derren? DB has the "master" there, why not try
>the stunt on him? Maybe DB knew that the response system of
>the "master" would be a trained, automatic, attack response.
>
>He/She (the student) never really knows whether its "correct" to
>respond in a certain way. If the punch came from an attacker, he/she
>would respond in one way (it is hoped at least) ....the way he/she
>was trained.
>
>In doing the modelling of DB,I have found the major importance
>of "setting the psychological environment".
>
>Tip...if someone throws a punch....hit em! lol...unless its a master,
>a guest, a nun, a policeman, a person who is bigger, a person who
>is...lol etc.
>
>--- In a previous message Jeffrey Waters wrote:
> >
> > In one scene, Darren threw a punch in the direction of a Wing Chun
>pracitioner, stopping before contact was made. The practitioner
>doubled up, as if he had acutally been punched. This may well have
>been merely an instinctive reaction to the sight of an incoming
>punch.
> >
> > What is harder to explain, however, is why this student went down
>at exactly the moment Darren repeated his 'punch' when he went behind
>the student and repeated the exercise. As Darren was stood behind
>the student when the 'punch' was thown, there is no obvious way the
>student could have known at what precise moment the movement was
>executed. It seems, therefore, that his reaction cannot be explained
>in terms of it being a normal reaction to a feigned punch. Does
>anyone know how Darren might have achieved this effect?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jeff
> >
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