Derren Brown: Archive
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From: ganetauk
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:04am
Subject: Re: Martial arts scene
I am writing this quickly, i hope it is readable lol ....
hhmmm from a martial art viewpoint....that makes one think
really....if he'd been an excellent wingchun student...on seeing the
incoming punch...he would have met it with his "seeking arm".
(wingchun response)...however....
You wrote "his reaction cannot be explained in terms of it being a
normal reaction to a feigned punch."...yes, as I am sure you know,
this guy's respond patterns to "how to react to an incoming punch"
will probably be many because of the "training" and setting. (when i
say many....i don't just mean, many "good" martial art responses..i
also mean many "odd/unsure/nervous" responses)
In his mind he might have wondered ....what do i do?....do i hit
this "special guest"?....do i let him hit me?...do i use
wingchun?....etc.
I have often noticed these "multi-responds" when a student of martial
arts meets a "master"...or in the case of Derren, a "special guest".
Happening at such speed..the normal response from the student is a
mix of unsure movements. (The reasons for these movements are often
explained by the student right after ..."I thought he was going to"
etc.)
The stunt was repeated...now the student kinda knows what might
happen right?..DB probably knows this..well, do you see the shock on
the student's face when DB tells him he will stand behind
him? ...darn, back to the drawing board with his (student's) unsure
responses! lol
(whats more, the school of wingchun the student was from has only one
standard response to an attack from behind - basically, pushing both
hands out...it comes from the first form in wingchun (the little
idea)....how can he use this on the "guest"?!! lol) ("but i thought
he was gonna hit me!" lol)
How do you think the same student would have acted with the "wingchun
master" applying a punch?...a more "martial art" response maybe?
How do you think the "wingchun master" would have responded to an
incoming punch from Derren? DB has the "master" there, why not try
the stunt on him? Maybe DB knew that the response system of
the "master" would be a trained, automatic, attack response.
He/She (the student) never really knows whether its "correct" to
respond in a certain way. If the punch came from an attacker, he/she
would respond in one way (it is hoped at least) ....the way he/she
was trained.
In doing the modelling of DB,I have found the major importance
of "setting the psychological environment".
Tip...if someone throws a punch....hit em! lol...unless its a master,
a guest, a nun, a policeman, a person who is bigger, a person who
is...lol etc.
--- In a previous message Jeffrey Waters wrote:
>
> In one scene, Darren threw a punch in the direction of a Wing Chun
pracitioner, stopping before contact was made. The practitioner
doubled up, as if he had acutally been punched. This may well have
been merely an instinctive reaction to the sight of an incoming
punch.
>
> What is harder to explain, however, is why this student went down
at exactly the moment Darren repeated his 'punch' when he went behind
the student and repeated the exercise. As Darren was stood behind
the student when the 'punch' was thown, there is no obvious way the
student could have known at what precise moment the movement was
executed. It seems, therefore, that his reaction cannot be explained
in terms of it being a normal reaction to a feigned punch. Does
anyone know how Darren might have achieved this effect?
>
> Regards
>
> Jeff
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