Derren Brown: Archive
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From: Blue Chip
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 4:36am
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] (unknown)
>For those of us that are broad minded enought to be open to every
>possibility until you get know for sure then i suggest you're mindset should
>absolutely be one of utter conviction in the fact that you will never find
>out for sure how he does it and the best you can achieve is to figure out,
>using all the resources available to you, how you would do it?
Derren has already said that he is likely to blow it all wide open as the
fame starts to drop off.
>An Anchor is just a fancy NLP word for An Association is just a fancy
>psychology word for the effects of Ivan Pavlov's classical conditioning
>which has been utilised by therapists since its discovery in the early 19th
>century.
Yes, I have found NLP to be full of jargon. And jargon is only ever used
for one purpose - them who know and them who don't. I have found hard-core
NLPers tend to be generally very secrective about their society (although
they always have a price.)
>When you reach the end of this line you will have a new insight, a new
>feeling of a level of understanding and still more curiosity.
Sorry, what were we talking about again? ;)
>I cant get over the reality of the hypnotically induced hallucinations of
>cups moving and spoons bending, he did that just by building up the
>curiousity and excitement and thats amazing on the telly. Those girls did
>not know what happened to them. The induction of positive or negative visual
>hallucinations is not easy because it is the one type of hallucination that
>is most destructive of reality values. If you want someone to experience
>visual hallucination then the setting must be just so.... look at that clip
>again and realise what derren has done to ensure that the hallucinations are
>easy to establish. Or forget that and ask what sleight of hand could produce
>that effect.
I noticed the position of his hands with reference to the glass changes,
mostly out of camera shot.
>If you want to get someone to duplicate a particular drawing like Derren did
>on ri:se then read up on cue dependant theory of memory. Its simply a case
>of setting up in advance the drawing and the cues and then cueing them off
>the right time with whatever cues you prepere, vocal, or otherwise.
Now I don't see that as a trick. Or more to the point I DO see that as the
skill. The one he professes to have. The Devils Picturebook has a nice
section on this theory of presentation.
>If you want to get someone to forget their own name on the tip of the tongue
>then read some of the hundreds of man hours of psychological investigation
>into the TOT phenomena alot of which is available on line. You will quickly
>realise the conditions that encourage the TOT or tip of the tongue problem
>are related to displacement,confusion,phonological similarities like rhyming
>words and yes some suggestion.
But again, this is all he is claiming to do. Forgetfulness through
linguistic suggestion. And his hand gestures are far from subtle.
>Ormond McGill was the first author to suggest
>that public transport is a great place to try this because people are
>already internally focused, years ago.
This is covered in his pick pocketing act, although he doesn't name Ormond.
Generally, he is overtly open about his sources when he is not being an E4
celebrity. In his video, I don't think he accepts responsibility for
anything he does. He is in it for the pure effect of it all - a master of
presentation.
>BTW and this is it, If you ever see Derren using any kind of cards watch out
>because thats when hes going to get you with his most subliminal and
>effective stunts.
LOL - yes, he is worryingly good isn't he ;)
Have you ever had the chance to see him live?
>Finally I'm going to ask you to think of a picture it can be anything,
>something you might or might not see each day. a person, maybe god or a
>landscape of a church on a hill, ensure its black and white yes thats it
>what is it. Write me back with the answer.
Your reply is in the mail.
Bc
