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From: lauren_macsporren
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 8:46am
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] (unknown)
Well said. Of course Derren wants us to figure out what he's doing..
he gives us half the clues anyway! (although sometimes I do feel I'm
being led astray!). Astray looks like ashtray.
Anyway, the point is.. erm.. oh yeah to that mentalistic bloke...
aren't you generalising when you say what you say about EVERYONE on
here? HELLO?!?! And also, it is possible to use the internet and
actually have a life.
Will people quit starting arguments all the time? I can't believe how
aggressive people are on here. I set this up as a bit of fun, to talk
about Derren, to talk about what he does etc but some people come on
here just to pick fights!
Chill out people. Take up a new hobby like knitting or something to
take your mind off the stresses and strains of life.
--- In a previous message Philip Collins wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for this,
> Most narrow minded of you.
> I consider that as I am more of a lurker than most that wasn't
directed
> directly at myself.
> I am however gonna respond.
> This is a fan club if it is anything. It is not a place to
dismantle
> building's or performances of any sort.
> Anything that is said here is said as a result of being stunned by
one of
> derrens performances.
> There are no vultures here only fans.
> There are many different people who do many different things, each
of those
> things that are done has some people who are the best at it. These
are known
> to the majority as the proffessionals in their respective
> art/sport/business.
> Grown men gather on a field and play football after being impressed
by the
> antics of the pro's.
> Everyone buy's a little music in their life and many musicians only
learn to
> be able to play the songs of their peers, never composing their own.
> We dont criticise them because what they do is within the sphere of
what
> everyone can do if they care to learn.
> The art of psychic or 'psychological' entertaiment, however you
care to
> define it, apparently needs to have a seperate set of rules than
the art of
> musical entertainment because the entertainment value in itself
lies only in
> the secrets.
> This is not a magicians discussion forum, some of those here do not
concern
> ourselves with the ethics of revealiing a performers secret's
> If you perform magic and mentalism you want people to be not only
> entertained but also mystified....manipulation of awe and wonder is
your
> career.
> You absolutely CANNOT POSSIBLY be seriously saying that people
shouldnt get
> together to try and figure out these tricks.
> Derren is soo convincing.. many people have left his shows
believing that
> photoreading is possible, many of those people were students some
were
> researchers and I think one at least was a librarian. Are youy
seriously
> expecting students who would really benefit, not to go away and
find out if
> its really possible.
> There was a time when I absolutely shit myself thinking what else
does my
> face give away. Derren has told the world that their innermost
secrets are
> not safe when he is around. I have a right to the desire to go out
and find
> out to what extent this is possible and to share my views with
others.
> It is apparent that you are yourself a mentalistic, why then are
you here?
> This is not a mentalists forum. Did you come to find out if we had
found out
> any secrets that you might be able to find? apparently that is
against your
> ethics as a performer.
> Did you come then simply to criticise people who are ultimately the
> expression of Derrens biggest collection of fans.
> Criticse what exactly criticise us for doing exactly what Derren
intended
> his fans to do, be completely baffled and try and figure out how
the hell
> that works.
> So why do you come here?
> I am not at any 'performance level' I do not intend to go to any
> 'performance level' but if its possible to block out pain on
purpose then I
> have a right to know how. If its not psychic and you can read
thoughts just
> by looking then I'm gonna find out how many other people are doing
this.
> I think your posting was rather unthoughtful, you didn't consider
who your
> audience was. Too many mentalists and magicians come to this board
and worry
> about secrets being divulged and future performances being ruined.
> Tell me where would you like your fan club too gather when you hit
the big
> time? nowhere....and what would you like them too discuss, your
goatee
> beard? Or would you prefer not too have a fan club?
> I hope you are open too my points.
> The very nature of mentalism is to get people to ask how? no...
> Something that strikes me about this board is that many people have
> dissected exactly how derren does his paper scissors stone routine
and yet
> nobody has come back and said - I did it and baffled my colleagues
or
> family. Or "I did that trick Derren did, i made my girlfriend
forget her
> name.." nobody does it... they only try to figure out how he did
it. Once
> I've figured it out what next... Is anyone running around
shouting "Derren
> Brown is a fraud..." No
> Also being as I'm airing some views, I wish magician's would stop
coming in
> here and saying " no thats not how its done..." or "thats an old
trick
> revamped"
> If you want to discuss how it works this is the place, if not go
somewhere
> else...
> I cant believe I wasted more time responding to your ignorant view
than it
> probably took you too write it.
> Hope you found what I wrote interesting, god know's I've spent all
my money
> on books to tell me how to say interesting things....
>
> >From: "mentalistical"
> >Reply-To:
> >To:
> >Subject: [Derren Brown] (unknown)
> >Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:08:17 -0000
> >
> >It really does amaze me when I browse the pages of this group. You
> >people are a nightmare, you really are vultures circling high up,
> >frequently swooping down to pick at or dismantle a performer and
his
> >effects. I Have a feeling that if you spent as much time and
energy at
> >an educational establishment such as a college or university you
would
> >be very clever people. However I think it is safe to say that you
will
> >never be truly rewarded by your efforts. Most of you spend too much
> >time her in cyber land instead of going out and mixing with real
> >people, I see you all as sad individuals who's ignorance will lead
> >only to destroy that which others hold so close to their hearts.
> >
> >"It doesn't matter what performance level you're at. It doesn't
matter
> >if magic is your hobby, your past time, your passion or your
career.
> >If you treat your audience, and your art, with such dignity and
> >respect that others can't wait to see more magic, then your own
> >purposes – whatever they may be, will be better served than any
other
> >way. Only perform quality, well-rehearsed material, and treat every
> >audience member with the respect they deserve". Michael Ammar
> >
> >THE CAREFUL BUILDER
> >
> >
> >I saw them tearing a building down - a gang of men, in my hometown.
> >
> >With a heave, and a ho, and a 'yes, yes!' yell They swung a beam,
and
> >a sidewall fell.
> >
> >I said to the foreman, "Are these men skilled? Like the ones you'd
use
> >if you had to build?"
> >
> >He laughed and said, "Oh, no! Indeed! The most common labor's all I
> >need. Because I can destroy, in a day or two, what it takes a
builder
> >ten years to do."
> >
> >And I thought to myself, as I went my way - Which of these roles
am I
> >willing to play?
> >
> >Am I one, who's tearing down, as I carelessly make my way around?
> >
> >Or am I one who builds with care? So my family, my community, is
just
> >a little better, because I was there.
> >
> >For many of you this post will mean nothing, you will simply read
on
> >and dismiss it. You may not even bat an eye at my comments. I urge
you
> >to stop dismantling this man. Mr Brown is an excellent performer
and
> >has worked exceptionally hard to be able to present his mind magic
the
> >way he does. If any of you where magicians or mentalists who had
> >painstakingly built an amazing repertoire and some of your own
> >effects, I'm sure you would be appalled at any expose and
plagiarist
> >groups like this one. A performance is such a personnel thing, for
> >someone to steal from it is like an attack on yourself, you may as
> >well break into Mr Browns house and steel his personal belongings.
> >
> >I hear many of you say "hi I have been into NLP, hypnosis and magic
> >for five years" yet you still come in here and talk crap. The
truth be
> >known If you had been into magic for five years you wouldn't post
> >stuff in here, well you would but only to poke fun at idiots.
> >
> >So to the vultures and thieves, keep reading the NLP books I'm sure
> >they will make you very strong, powerful and not to mention
> >interesting
> >
>
>
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