Derren Brown: Archive
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From: wayneryder
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:57pm
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Thanks for sharing your views here...
Personally, I doubt I'll ever try any of Derren's techniques, I just
find it interesting to see him work and know what's going on 'behind
the scenes'. So what audience are you talking about, in my case?
I also think some of the best 'tricks' he does are the ones where he
gives the game away himself, Penn & Teller style (the advertising
people f'rinstance). His in-between shows segments explained a lot of
his techniques. There from the horse's mouth, that was what he was
doing: "See if you can spot..."
He often even tells people he's duping how he's doing it, so what's
the big secret?
There's a yawning chasm between knowing how something's done, and
doing it yourself; as anyone who's cooked something from a recepie
book can verify.
He's used established tricks & routines before (I pointed out the
Georgia Lift for one). So is he not guilty of stealing or using other
people's material to his own ends? Or does it make a differrence that
he's got an Equity card?
David Blaine & Paul Zenon both use hinge coins for a routine. Anyone
can, you can buy them from magic shops. But should I resist the
temptation to fool a couple of my friends, or should I hope that one
day they bump into a filmed street magician so they get the job done
properly?
I obviously don't share your view. I think what we're doing here is
no more harmful than finding out how Disney make their cartoons or
how ILM do their effects. I'm no more interesting for knowing how
animation or CGI work. just means I've got some books in my house
that I like to read and get a kick out of.
I read your 'Careful Builder' poem, I understood it. Unfortunately,
you think we somehow dislike Derren and want to rip him off. I think
you're misunderstanding the whole 'fan' thing, the same way Oasis (or
their management) made their fans remove copyrighted content and the
way Fox are shutting down Simpsons sites. I'm not getting any richer
by writing this, and I can't see how Derren Brown can get any poorer
because of it.
But if anyone ever does break into DB's house, I've got my eye on the
Orson Welles painting...
--- In a previous message mentalistical wrote:
> It really does amaze me when I browse the pages of this group. You
> people are a nightmare, you really are vultures circling high up,
> frequently swooping down to pick at or dismantle a performer and
his
> effects. I Have a feeling that if you spent as much time and energy
at
> an educational establishment such as a college or university you
would
> be very clever people. However I think it is safe to say that you
will
> never be truly rewarded by your efforts. Most of you spend too much
> time her in cyber land instead of going out and mixing with real
> people, I see you all as sad individuals who's ignorance will lead
> only to destroy that which others hold so close to their hearts.
>
> "It doesn't matter what performance level you're at. It doesn't
matter
> if magic is your hobby, your past time, your passion or your
career.
> If you treat your audience, and your art, with such dignity and
> respect that others can't wait to see more magic, then your own
> purposes – whatever they may be, will be better served than any
other
> way. Only perform quality, well-rehearsed material, and treat every
> audience member with the respect they deserve". Michael Ammar
>
> THE CAREFUL BUILDER
>
>
> I saw them tearing a building down - a gang of men, in my hometown.
>
> With a heave, and a ho, and a 'yes, yes!' yell They swung a beam,
and
> a sidewall fell.
>
> I said to the foreman, "Are these men skilled? Like the ones you'd
use
> if you had to build?"
>
> He laughed and said, "Oh, no! Indeed! The most common labor's all I
> need. Because I can destroy, in a day or two, what it takes a
builder
> ten years to do."
>
> And I thought to myself, as I went my way - Which of these roles am
I
> willing to play?
>
> Am I one, who's tearing down, as I carelessly make my way around?
>
> Or am I one who builds with care? So my family, my community, is
just
> a little better, because I was there.
>
> For many of you this post will mean nothing, you will simply read
on
> and dismiss it. You may not even bat an eye at my comments. I urge
you
> to stop dismantling this man. Mr Brown is an excellent performer
and
> has worked exceptionally hard to be able to present his mind magic
the
> way he does. If any of you where magicians or mentalists who had
> painstakingly built an amazing repertoire and some of your own
> effects, I'm sure you would be appalled at any expose and
plagiarist
> groups like this one. A performance is such a personal thing, for
> someone to steal from it is like an attack on yourself, you may as
> well break into Mr Browns house and steel his personal belongings.
>
> I hear many of you say "hi I have been into NLP, hypnosis and magic
> for five years" yet you still come in here and talk crap. The truth
be
> known If you had been into magic for five years you wouldn't post
> stuff in here, well you would but only to poke fun at idiots.
>
> So to the vultures and thieves, keep reading the NLP books I'm sure
> they will make you very strong, powerful and not to mention
> interesting
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