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From: richard
Date: Sat May 3, 2003 2:14pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
Good point - what would the cashier have seen from her position?
Two guys slamming on the security grill with at least one camera-operator , a
sound recordist , and some-one holding a lighting rig , standing behind them.
Never been to a Dog Track in my life , but would imagine that such a scene
would not be the norm., yet the cashier didn't seem remotely curious about what
was going on , which seems odd for some-one handling significant amounts of
cash & the security implications that go with it.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From : mat_2001mat
To : derrenbrown@y...
Date : 03 May 2003 13:43:11
Subject : [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
Im sure that a chat with the manager wouldnt be to hard either, he
>gets publicity for his track.
>
>All of derrens effects could be manipulated and be fakes.
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>--- In a previous message, richardwrote:
>> I agree with Terry that getting a pay-out on a losing ticket
>involving computerised systems would be near on impossible. It may
>have been a switch as Paulo and other group members have suggested ,
>and perhaps some sharp editing deleted the moment the switch was made.
>> There are other points - DB wanted to create an 'effect' ; so what
>did the setting of a greyhound race provide to the mechanics of
>predictably making the effect work?
>> I may be wrong but generally does a standard g.h. race involve 6
>dogs ? Unlike horse racing , bets are frequently written down by Trap
>Number , not by the animal's name. If so , it would be possible to
>make 6 bets, on 6 individual tickets , stated as 6 numbers ; much
>easier for covert 'counting off' before the switch took place. One
>ticket would be a winner ; the winnings + plus the returned stake
>would offset part of the outlay ( and the overall outlay would , in
>TV budget terms at least, be a pittance ) - also one or two dogs
>would be 'outsiders' at big odds & covered at much reduced stakes for
>a bigger return - even betting on the tote. Why use the Tote when
>there would have been 'rails' or 'ring' bookies at the same track, of
>whom some if not all would be without computerised system to confirm
>winning tickets & having fewer staff involved ? DB's assistant could
>also figure in it - as priming the assistant , off camera , by
>suggestion to believe he was presenting a losing ticket instead of ,
>in fact , a winning ticket would seem both more reliable & easier
>method than - as Terry has pointed out - the prospect of trying to
>dupe a ( probably experienced ) cashier backed up by a computerised
>system? Wonder too if an intelligent person with training in Law
>would on national TV pull a trick that , at face value , would leave
>him wide open to
>> criminal proceedings ?! :0)
>> TTFN
>> Rich
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From : ganetauk
>> To : derrenbrown@y...
>> Date : 03 May 2003 00:54:15
>> Subject : [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
>> Go to a dog track and try it. Then go into a bookmakers on the high
>> >street and try it.
>> >
>> >By "try it", i mean do what derren brown told the guy to do (try
>to
>> >do a little better though :o)
>> >
>> >Then ask yourself, after trying each, why one seems to work (if it
>> >does), and the other doesn't.
>> >
>> >And then let the word "head office" enter your mind as a possible
>> >answer. Let also "linked computers, managers and more than one
>> >person" enter your mind.
>> >
>> >Also tip "tote" ...and I dont mean a NLP TOTE model.
>> >
>> >Regards Terry
>> >
>> >"unless its a cotechian attitude, most things won't seem to make
>> >sense" td
>> >
>> >--- In a previous message, Paulo Romani
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>> >wrote:
>> >> I think it was mystery Dale who made the point about the machine
>not
>> >> allowing payment without a valid ticket. Also, the machine
>would
>> >display
>> >> the exact amount payable.
>> >> It must have been a ticket switch, as how would the lady know
>how
>> >much to
>> >> pay? I don't know much about gambling, but there's obviously
>not a
>> >set rate
>> >> for winning. The amount must have been on the screen.... I will
>> >watch again
>> >> anyway.
>> >
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