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From: mat_2001mat
Date: Sat May 3, 2003 1:43pm
Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
Im sure that a chat with the manager wouldnt be to hard either, he
gets publicity for his track.
All of derrens effects could be manipulated and be fakes.
--- In a previous message, richardwrote:
> I agree with Terry that getting a pay-out on a losing ticket
involving computerised systems would be near on impossible. It may
have been a switch as Paulo and other group members have suggested ,
and perhaps some sharp editing deleted the moment the switch was made.
> There are other points - DB wanted to create an 'effect' ; so what
did the setting of a greyhound race provide to the mechanics of
predictably making the effect work?
> I may be wrong but generally does a standard g.h. race involve 6
dogs ? Unlike horse racing , bets are frequently written down by Trap
Number , not by the animal's name. If so , it would be possible to
make 6 bets, on 6 individual tickets , stated as 6 numbers ; much
easier for covert 'counting off' before the switch took place. One
ticket would be a winner ; the winnings + plus the returned stake
would offset part of the outlay ( and the overall outlay would , in
TV budget terms at least, be a pittance ) - also one or two dogs
would be 'outsiders' at big odds & covered at much reduced stakes for
a bigger return - even betting on the tote. Why use the Tote when
there would have been 'rails' or 'ring' bookies at the same track, of
whom some if not all would be without computerised system to confirm
winning tickets & having fewer staff involved ? DB's assistant could
also figure in it - as priming the assistant , off camera , by
suggestion to believe he was presenting a losing ticket instead of ,
in fact , a winning ticket would seem both more reliable & easier
method than - as Terry has pointed out - the prospect of trying to
dupe a ( probably experienced ) cashier backed up by a computerised
system? Wonder too if an intelligent person with training in Law
would on national TV pull a trick that , at face value , would leave
him wide open to
> criminal proceedings ?! :0)
> TTFN
> Rich
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> -----Original Message-----
> From : ganetauk
> To : derrenbrown@y...
> Date : 03 May 2003 00:54:15
> Subject : [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
> Go to a dog track and try it. Then go into a bookmakers on the high
> >street and try it.
> >
> >By "try it", i mean do what derren brown told the guy to do (try
to
> >do a little better though :o)
> >
> >Then ask yourself, after trying each, why one seems to work (if it
> >does), and the other doesn't.
> >
> >And then let the word "head office" enter your mind as a possible
> >answer. Let also "linked computers, managers and more than one
> >person" enter your mind.
> >
> >Also tip "tote" ...and I dont mean a NLP TOTE model.
> >
> >Regards Terry
> >
> >"unless its a cotechian attitude, most things won't seem to make
> >sense" td
> >
> >--- In a previous message, Paulo Romani
> >wrote:
> >> I think it was mystery Dale who made the point about the machine
not
> >> allowing payment without a valid ticket. Also, the machine
would
> >display
> >> the exact amount payable.
> >> It must have been a ticket switch, as how would the lady know
how
> >much to
> >> pay? I don't know much about gambling, but there's obviously
not a
> >set rate
> >> for winning. The amount must have been on the screen.... I will
> >watch again
> >> anyway.
> >
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