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From: richard
Date: Sat May 3, 2003 1:33pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
I agree with Terry that getting a pay-out on a losing ticket involving
computerised systems would be near on impossible. It may have been a switch as
Paulo and other group members have suggested , and perhaps some sharp editing
deleted the moment the switch was made.
There are other points - DB wanted to create an 'effect' ; so what did the
setting of a greyhound race provide to the mechanics of predictably making the
effect work?
I may be wrong but generally does a standard g.h. race involve 6 dogs ? Unlike
horse racing , bets are frequently written down by Trap Number , not by the
animal's name. If so , it would be possible to make 6 bets, on 6 individual
tickets , stated as 6 numbers ; much easier for covert 'counting off' before
the switch took place. One ticket would be a winner ; the winnings + plus the
returned stake would offset part of the outlay ( and the overall outlay would ,
in TV budget terms at least, be a pittance ) - also one or two dogs would be
'outsiders' at big odds & covered at much reduced stakes for a bigger return -
even betting on the tote. Why use the Tote when there would have been 'rails'
or 'ring' bookies at the same track, of whom some if not all would be without
computerised system to confirm winning tickets & having fewer staff involved ?
DB's assistant could also figure in it - as priming the assistant , off camera
, by suggestion to believe he was presenting a losing ticket instead of , in
fact , a winning ticket would seem both more reliable & easier method than -
as Terry has pointed out - the prospect of trying to dupe a ( probably
experienced ) cashier backed up by a computerised system? Wonder too if an
intelligent person with training in Law would on national TV pull a trick that
, at face value , would leave him wide open to
criminal proceedings ?! :0)
TTFN
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From : ganetauk
To : derrenbrown@y...
Date : 03 May 2003 00:54:15
Subject : [Derren Brown] Re: Dog track thought....
Go to a dog track and try it. Then go into a bookmakers on the high
>street and try it.
>
>By "try it", i mean do what derren brown told the guy to do (try to
>do a little better though :o)
>
>Then ask yourself, after trying each, why one seems to work (if it
>does), and the other doesn't.
>
>And then let the word "head office" enter your mind as a possible
>answer. Let also "linked computers, managers and more than one
>person" enter your mind.
>
>Also tip "tote" ...and I dont mean a NLP TOTE model.
>
>Regards Terry
>
>"unless its a cotechian attitude, most things won't seem to make
>sense" td
>
>--- In a previous message, Paulo Romani
>wrote:
>> I think it was mystery Dale who made the point about the machine not
>> allowing payment without a valid ticket. Also, the machine would
>display
>> the exact amount payable.
>> It must have been a ticket switch, as how would the lady know how
>much to
>> pay? I don't know much about gambling, but there's obviously not a
>set rate
>> for winning. The amount must have been on the screen.... I will
>watch again
>> anyway.
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