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From: Ollie
Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Ross Jefrries (Speed Seduction)
Luise,
Thank you for the sound advice. However, I think you may have slightly
misinpretted me. I was equally as appalled as you at Ross Jeffries
approach to women and "seduction". As you so rightly point out, where
is the satisfaction in manipulating women and then leaving a string of
them (and their friends) hating you? It is hardly the path to eternal
happiness.....
With that said, the reason I posted the interview to this group is
that it contains excerpts of the language patterns that he uses to
plant suggestions into women's minds. These techniques of embedded
suggestions and "phonological ambiguity" (as I believe it is labelled
in NLP) are very similar to those that Derren uses in his tricks. A
good example is the trick at the Oxford union with the tractor guy. It
seems both Derren and Jeffries have taken similar aspects from NLP and
hypnosis to develop conservational suggestion techniques. Obviously,
Derren has chosen a more dignified outlet that Jeffries. Although,
Derren claims to have used this approach with women in the past when
he was practising.
Like me, I'm sure others have found that there are very few sources of
information on the techniques that Derren uses. I thought Jeffries'
stuff came the closest and there are quite a few hints in this long
article if you look past the crude language and the complete absence
of morality......
Remind boys: The ZenMistress talks sense :-)
--- In a previous message luise_f wrote:
>
> Ollie,
>
> Jeffries is a *very* damaged man. Damaged people are dangerous. I can
> only imagine that his problems with women started long before anyone
> rejected him in high school for a date, and probably within his
> immediate family.
>
> His instinct is to hate, not love.
>
> To 'revenge' himself and those like him, young men who are equally
> damaged, identify with him to the strongest degree.
>
> Connoisseurs of women, those who love their company, and love to get
> inside their minds, do not hate women. These are the men that are
> truly successful with the ladies. I don't count "getting to 4th base
> in 30 minutes", although many young men would, as at that age it's
> quantity that counts.
>
> What happens after 30 minutes, and you've said see-ya? She thinks
> you're a prat, and wants to forget you as soon as possible. She also
> spreads the word around. Does that really constitute a win, for you?
>
> Connoisseurs of women engage the fondness of their lady friends for
> many years. It is a skilled art, and brings a *lot* of joy to both
> parties. Key word: both. And age, baldness, et al, does not wither
> it :-)
>
> If you are of this kind of manipulative mind-set then that, in my
> opinion, is what you should be aiming for, rather than the terribly
> sad set speech spectacle of the Ross Jeffries movement.
>
> And in any case: how *very* embarrassing if she has heard your
> approach before. And, you know, you may never ever know how many
> women have internally laughed at you. Many are too kind to ever tell
> you in a million years. Why mark yourself out as having so little
> brain resource that you have to follow a routine talked about in
> countless women's magazines, web boards, and amongst us all.
>
> We women, you see. We do like to compare notes about these things :-)
>
> Be your lovely self ;-)
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