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From: steve shannon
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:56pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Digest Number 234
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Leave this casino at once - and take your magnetic balls with you!
From: Rob Dobson
2. Helo Gang!
From: ronthompsan
3. "Helo" Ron
From: "falsedog"
4. RE: "Helo" Ron
From: mark
5. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: ronthompsan
6. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: "Ben Green"
7. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: ronthompsan
8. Re: Leave this casino at once - and take your magnetic balls with you!
From: zoweeuk
9. anyway- er NLP as a pseudoscience anyone?
From: mark
10. RE: Re: Leave this casino at once - and take your magnetic balls with you!
From: "Jim Byrne"
11. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: Rob Dobson
12. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: designforlife
13. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: "trentretro"
14. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: Blue Chip
15. any one got tickets for the tour yet
From: "trentretro"
16. derren trick
From: gareth_uk_1999
17. Re: "Helo" Ron
From: jamesdavidson_99
18. Re: derren trick
From: "hipparque2002"
19. read this slowly to get the full meaning
From: ganetauk
20. this is part two of won post the just went by...td
From: ganetauk
21. Re: read this slowly to get the full meaning
From: Blue Chip
22. Re: read this slowly to get the full meaning
From: Rob Dobson
23. Re: this is part two of won post the just went by...td
From: Rob Dobson
24. Re: anyway- er NLP as a pseudoscience anyone?
From: Rob Dobson
25. THANKS
From: derrenbr0wn
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 05:53:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Dobson
Subject: Re: Leave this casino at once - and take your magnetic balls with you!
Maybe it was showing his 'influence' over the
ball...;)
--- Blue Chip wrote:
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At 01:15 16/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>quarter of a millions not bad though is it? I
think
>Derren may have used the more subtle skill of
video
>editing myself..
>
lol
or maybe they did the voice over after they filmed the
ball!
I think it was inteded as a joke really.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:07:39 -0000
From: ronthompsan
Subject: Helo Gang!
Hello there to all of you.
It great to be a member of this list at last because I 'm really
looking forward to discussing DB (Derren Brown) because I am
DEFINITLY his number 1 fan!! I think he is really the greatest
mindreader going in the world today!
I have read his books and now I am pretty much on the same level as
Derren when it come s to reading the mind of others. All I need to do
is look closely and read the language and then bang! I got the name
you are thinking about! It's taken me a long time to do this but now
It's pretty much second nature to me. It hards to control sometimes I
can tell you! LOL!
I like thinking about DB whenevr I get the chance as I'm sure all you
guys do too! I'd like to write a book like Derrens book but I'm still
looking for ideas about it. Has anyone heard of a mindreader called
himself Chris COx? I've heard he does similar stuff to Derren and so
do I so it would be possible maybe to [put on a show with all the
mindreaders together. Any other mindreaders looking here? Come on
everyone lets all read minds together. It's pretty simple when you
know how.
Speak to you all soon.
Ron
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:57:34 -0000
From: "falsedog"
Subject: "Helo" Ron
I sometimes feel very uncomfortable in this group...
> It hards to control sometimes I
> can tell you! LOL!
> I like thinking about DB whenevr I get the chance as I'm sure
all you
> guys do too! . Any other mindreaders lookig here? Come on
> everyone lets all read minds together. I'ts pretty simple when
you
> know how.
>
> Speak to you all soon.
> Ron
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:00:47 -0000
From: mark
Subject: RE: "Helo" Ron
you are not the only one :|
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:06:42 -0000
From: ronthompsan
Subject: Re: "Helo" Ron
Yeaqh, I know what you mean too.
It is good for the Derren talk but some memebrs don't know the facts
about proper loving of Derren. It's like a respect thing though not
true love! LOL :-)
Derren If your reading this then have agreat day! ;-0
Does anyone kno if DB (Derren Brown) is a member of this group? I
hope he is he should maybe comment more offten though.
Comeon D (Derren) Get typing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron
--- In a previous message mark wrote:
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> you are not the only one :|
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:16:57 -0000
From: "Ben Green"
Subject: Re: "Helo" Ron
Do you think someone is taking the p...?
----- Original Message -----
From: ronthompsan
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] "Helo" Ron
Yeaqh, I know what you mean too.
It is good for the Derren talk but some memebrs don't know the facts
about proper loving of Derren. It's like a respect thing though not
true love! LOL :-)
Derren If your reading this then have agreat day! ;-0
Does anyone kno if DB (Derren Brown) is a member of this group? I
hope he is he should maybe comment more offten though.
Comeon D (Derren) Get typing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron
--- In a previous message mark wrote:
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> you are not the only one :|
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:14:58 -0000
From: ronthompsan
Subject: Re: "Helo" Ron
Hey, taking the p? that ain't fair- I 've only just posted to the
group and i get a knock down? come on, just being friendly, i am not
hear to cause trouble just a fan thats all!!! :-*
I'll saty quite if you need me too.
Ron
--- In a previous message Ben Green" wrote:
> Do you think someone is taking the p...?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronthompsan
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] "Helo" Ron
>
>
> Yeaqh, I know what you mean too.
> It is good for the Derren talk but some memebrs don't know the
facts
> about proper loving of Derren. It's like a respect thing though
not
> true love! LOL :-)
>
> Derren If your reading this then have agreat day! ;-0
>
> Does anyone kno if DB (Derren Brown) is a member of this group? I
> hope he is he should maybe comment more offten though.
>
> Comeon D (Derren) Get typing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ron
>
>
> --- In a previous message mark wrote:
> >
> > you are not the only one :|
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:27:37 -0000
From: zoweeuk
Subject: Re: Leave this casino at once - and take your magnetic balls with you!
--- In a previous message killerb_0187 wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm not...), heh..
> But didn't Derren loose that Roulette thing?
>
He did lose on Roulette. Little tip when gambling, never ever try
Roulette, it is the single worst table game in terms of odds in the
casino, and it is completely random and can not be predicted
accurately, basically unless you win straight away and take your
chips you will lose money.
Black Jack is the only game where the odds be put safely into the
players not the casino's favour, but it requires a little skill.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:43:41 -0000
From: mark
Subject: anyway- er NLP as a pseudoscience anyone?
ahem - your thoughts?
contributors to this list variously refer to NLP models / techniques as
if the were part of an established science - after conducting a review
of the academic literature available, i thought i ought to share my
findings
before that - it may be of marginal interest to you to learn the
following things from Derren himself
"NLP - it's an odd scene. I've been there and was put off by it "
"no I don't use hypnosis per se. I do use suggestion and so on but there
are no hypnotic inductions"
source;
http://www.geocities.com/derren_brown/dbmm/extra/ygroups_chat_with_derre
n.html
en.html>
bring it on....
* "Though it claims neuroscience in its pedigree, NLP's outmoded
view of the relationship between cognitive style and brain function
ultimately boils down to crude analogies. NLP basks in effusive
testimonials, but the National Research Council could unearth no hard
evidence in its favor, or even a succinct statement of its underlying
theory."
-- Beyerstein, BL. (1990). Brainscams: Neuromythologies of the New Age.
International Journal of Mental health, 19 (3), 27-36.
* ". . . N.L.P. Theory is not well articulated, its terminology,
premises and assumptions are ambiguous or poorly specified. As the
analysis in this article has shown, a basic reason for the theory's
inadequacies are due to its borrowings from theories that are
theoretically antagonistic to each other. . . . The conclusions from
reviewing the literature are that as a theory, it is undeveloped and
incoherent and that its techniques offer nothing new."
-- Baddeley, M. (1989). Neurolinguistic programming: The academic
verdict so far. Australian Journal of Clinical Hypnotherapy and
Hypnosis, 10 (2), 73-81.
* This study compared NLP techniques such as pacing, metaphor, and
phonemic devices to two much simpler non-NLP control conditions: a
direct-information condition and a placebic information-only condition.
No differences in attitudes were found among the conditions, but the
non-NLP direct-information control condition demonstrated significantly
more persuasion in behavioral measures, resulting in the opposite of
what NLP practitioners would predict.
-- Dixon, PN; Parr GD; Yarbrough D; and Rathael M. (1986).
Neurolinguistic Programming as a Persuasive Communication Technique. The
Journal of Social Psychology, 126(4), 545-550.
* Huge intercorrelations (hovering around r=.7) between subject
performance in different sensory modes resulted, which is the only
possible outcome that wasn't predicted by NLP.
-- Fromme DK & Daniel J (1984). Neurolinguistic Programming Examined.
Journal of Counseling Psychology 31 (3) 387-390.
* "The basic tenents of NLP have failed to be reliably verified in
almost 86% of the controlled studies . . . the inquirer in this field
may be forgiven for accepting the conclusion of Elich et al, (1985),
'NLP has achieved something akin to a cult status when it may be nothing
more than another psychological fad' (p.625)."
-- Sharpley, C. F. (1987). Research findings on neurolingusitic
programming: Nonsupportive data or an untestable theory? Journal of
Counseling Psychology, 34 (1), 103-107.
Yeah.
I'm studying pure psychology in Trinity College Dublin ( a big reputable
college in Ireland) and I've basically realised that nobody in the scientific
domain of psychology has much to do with bandler and his crazy speak.
But Bandler goes into great detail in frogs to princes about how the whole
theory of nlp is based upon lies, or vague generalisations.
But in my experience, some methods work in some situations.
Anyway, I have to go and do a fuck hard exam on statistics now. Oh SHIT!!!!
:)
steve.
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