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From: june
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 3:59am
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: 30 Second Conversational Trance Induction
bc try that thing again please yahoo screwed up the last one.sad
june wrote:
Then i guess you and i are not so as we are still here.lol
Blue Chip wrote: Sleep is for wimps - LOL
At 19:15 10/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>someone commented a few days ago,asking do all on this list not sleep.?? i
>am beginning to wonder that too.
>guys and gals get some rest lol....
> Blue Chip wrote: At 00:36 11/01/03 +0000, you
> wrote:
> >Hi Richard
> >
> > > Pace and lead, is stunningly covert, which makes it ideal to
> >practice.
> >
> >Yes Its one om my favourite methods, but like anything needs
> >practice if you go in heavy handed someone may notice
> >
> >But if u use it in a gentle conversational way i find it very
> >effective
> >
> > >Derren said something, in at the dog races I think, when he was
> > >trying to get the other guy to do the trick, "Try and really
> > >believe it".
> >
> > > To me this matches with something BC said, about following state
> >into trance. People follow on an emotional level. What do you think?
> >
> >BC and I cover this in our last post!
> >
> >Without putting words into his mouth, he has a similar view to me on
> >this!
> >
> >I'm sure he'll add his view on it when he reads this;)
>
>Yes, I think we are certainly in agreement on this fundamental :P
>
>The debate we had was whether to PRETEND or actually DO IT, although each
>has it (dis)advantages, there is little doubt as to the upshot - people
>will follow.
>
>The main difference between PaceAndLead and HSI is that PAL (isn't that a
>friendly TLA) creates a pattern gradually and then gently leads the person
>into state <x>; whereas HSI (ab)uses the existence of a known-pre-existing
>pattern (the complex sequence of actions known to us simply as "a hand
>shake") and jumps straight in for the prompt move to state <x>
>
>One is quick and effective... when well-executed. Potentially offensive if
>poorly-executed or <this> person is immune to the method.
>The other is (comparatively) slow but equally as effective. But it has the
>advantage of being relatively fool-proof. You can practice and learn it
>without risking offending people. And when it doesn't work - it is less
>likely* that the person will end up offended.
>
>* No matter what - you will offend someone at some point in your life -
>even with all the best intentions in the world. hee-hee-> Ever bought your
>girlfriend the WRONG present??
>
>
> >For myself I totally believe / know this to be true!
> >
> >Its about how deep you go into state.
> >
> >I'll try and post something more on this next week, depending on
> >work!!
> >
> >I believe its fundamental to really effective trance to pace
> >someones state and then lead.
>
>Yes, this idea is common to both HSI and PAL.
>HSI is the teleporter to success - just make sure you don't teleport into a
>wall! lol
>PAL is a car, the journey is longer and you may run into some traffic jams
>en route. But if you persevere you will get there; and if you see a brick
>wall coming, TURN LEFT! {that's their left, of course, but don't let that
>influence you} and drive around it.
>
>Each have their applications, choose wisely.
>
>
> >Anyway off to bed glad you like the approach!!
> >
> >Mark
>
>
>
>
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