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From: steve shannon
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:48am
Subject: A re-work of my recent post's on the NLP used in some of Derren's tricks.

I looked at the video of the new episodes last night
for the second time and spotted some more great
techniques! This may be a bit obvious to you, but it
wasn't to me the first time (probably because I was
watching it unconsciously)Do you know when he's at the
football grounds and later says that the setting is
very important? Well it is at the football ground that
a Crowd Mentality is most in effect. This means people
are being generally less aware of their individual
decision making processes and leaving all that hard
work to external influence (mainly authority or crowd)

So in steps out Derren, calibrates, sets and fires a
few "I'm a nice guy, please don't smash my face up
with that beer bottle u have there" anchors, goes into
matching and leading.. then... hey presto... they
FOllow the LEADER!! Look at it closely to see what I
mean! Paper, Rock, Scissors my arse!

And another Derren variant I worked out on my college
mates today was this:

For the "guessing which hand the coin is in" trick...
initial rapport patter (nothing too involved) and then
stay at matching, let THEM lead. Throw in some solid
ambiguities pasted over with thick LAYERS of Milton
lingo patterns.

My own personal creation for making the arm with the
coin sink down was:

To COIN a term of the famous philosopher, KANT, "let
all WEIGHT be burdened with the GRAVITY of
conscience!" I know you're thinking... I'm not THE
FULL PENNY.... but it's like me saying "SEE NOW" to a
blind man! (laughter) NOW, just HOLD ON a
moment...'til I... okay... just WEIGHT, okay whenever
you FEEL ready.... WAIT... OKAY, GO!


and the other one to force the coin into the right
hand was:

I see you're interested in how I KNOW what I KNOW and
you're RIGHT to question the extremely HANDY methods
I'm using but the fact is that nobody KNOWS the RIGHT
and true facts of the RIGHT-ings which I've read
about.. and when you break it down to the essential
axiom of choice, WHAT'S LEFT IS WORTHLESS....
okay...whenever you feel... RIGHT... Just go with
whatever YOU'RE FEELING RIGHT NOW.

Don't forget to put in lots of "that's it"s and
"Excellent"s to establish lots of nice associations..


I have a few ideas of my own that help me to
understand more clearly what it is we're both
attempting to describe. I'd like to write them here
for you now.

I think the sentence Derren uses with the radio DJ, Jo
Whiley:

"put it in the hand that feels right and leave the one
that's left empty. That's my left of course, but don't
let me influence you."

is a typical (but in this case, purposefully not
eloquent or subtle) example of what is normally
described in NLP terminology as a MILTON MODEL
STRUCTURE type sentence. In closer terms, this can be
the use of what Dr. Erickson described as "the art of
being vague" The basic structure of this sentence
overuses AMBIGUITY to CONFUSE and DISTRACT Jo Wholly.
While subtle use of AMBIGUITY is highly effective
subliminally (beyond the threshold of conscious
response), Derren purposefully overuses it here to
effect three different systems:

- He is appealing to Jo's metal map where Jo wants to
let Derren know that she's more AWARE of his methods
than most. This is my interpretation, based on the
entire interview conversation leading UP to this Point
in Time in the broadcast. Making this MORE obvious
gives her a perfect but insignificant leverage. We
could refer to this as a "venting" system.

- He is DISTRACTING Jo by making her inadvertently pay
attention to the WORDs he is saying rather than the
non-verbal signals I imagine he was using at that
time. This is targeted to her conscious
"word-analysis" system, distracting her from her
conscious (but mostly unconscious) "non-verbal
analysis" system.

- And finally, He is appealing to her "Humour" system
by obviously dramatising the created theme of
CONFUSION, a theme which is the perspective of the
whole trick. People find word ambiguities funny. Take
this joke, for example:

"What's the difference between an egg and a wank?"


"You can't beat a wank!"


This is a play on the syntactic ambiguity of the word
BEAT. Now you figure out this one:


"What's the difference between anal sex and oral sex?"


"A blow job makes your whole day, but anal sex makes
your hole week"


This involves a Phonetic Ambiguity.

The sense of humour appeal does 3 things: It
distracts, develops rapport and blows the ego-defence
barriers away for a brief moment. These are helpful.


so you See now, why Derren's taken 10 years to be able
to Understand this stuff in a SIGNIFICANT and USEFUL
way!!


Messing about with this stuff is hours of fun
GUARANTEED!

enjoy it already!

Steve.


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