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From: Harry Cannon
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:05pm
Subject: RE: [Derren Brown] Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion
Hi Rob
Just got my answer from your later post..
Kind Regards
Harry Cannon
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From: Rob Dobson [mailto:]
Sent: 09 January 2003 16:54
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Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] Re: Suggestion/Autosuggestion
First of all, I'm a black belt in kung fu having
trained in it for 10 years, so I'm aware...;)
Also, the photoreading thing? Two things; first in
magic there is an entire genre of 'mentalism' called
'book tests' (apologies if I'm patronising anyone
here), where the effect is exactly that of Derrens.
Second, in his video 'the Devils picturebook', he
states that 'if I'm doing a book test I'll take 20
minutes to pretend to photoread it before doing the
test'.
Evidence enough?
The psychological approach that he uses is dressing in
some cases, an attempt to present magic and mentalism
in a way that doesn't give the performer supernatural
powers. Not in all cases, but in some.
--- Blue Chip wrote:
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At 07:59 09/01/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Far be it for me to underestimate the value of
>suggestions.
LOL ;-)
> Merely stating that this is a leverage
>technique. Even bending the knees makes no odds,
as
>the effort is still expended in the correct
direction,
>whereas pushing on the elbows sends it somewhere
else.
I had not thought about the elbows - I will definitely
try this - you will
move a bunch of force to the less powerful triceps for
a start.
But I absolutely assure you that when you learn Judo
(or Jujitsu or several
other arts) you are taught from a very early stage,
how to counter a whole
bunch of lifts/throws by simply bending your knees -
the 'major shoulder
throw' is the best example of this.
I noticed that the girl is wearing baggy trousers
too. So it's difficult
to confirm - but absence of evidence is not evidence
of absence.
>Not everything he does is suggestion, you know. In
the
>same way the the 'photo reading' effect isn't
photo
>reading.
ohhh - that's a claim and a half - any insights to
support it?
>That's not to say that photo reading isn't
>possible, (again, who am i...), but that wasn't
how it
>was done.
DB has clearly listened to the Photoreading course,
and if you do also, you
will see why I say that. But let me say that I
think you're most likely
RIGHT - ie. DB is bluffing it (incredibly well, but
bluffing it
nonetheless.) Photoreading is truly incredible
when you get it to work,
but it's all frame-of-mind and it can be tricky to
achieve, certainly when
you start anyway. There are apparently far
easier ways to achieve this
effect without developing advanced mental skills.
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> >But the boxing lift isn't anything to do with
hypnosis
> >is it? Its just simple physics.
>
>Don't underestimate the power of suggestion.
>
>If you have just asked yourself "why? what do
you (think you) know?" or
>something similar, then re-read the previous line
again. Is it a
>suggestion that you have just gone along with, or
is it a blatant
>instruction that you have just obeyed? And
more scary, is there a
>difference? And how many times a day can you
catch yourself doing just
>this kind of thing to others? Trust me, YOU
DO!
>
>However, in this case, simply bending your knees
is far more efficient
>(effort vs. result).
>
>On the other hand, I have seen experienced martial
artists, who can achieve
>this and similar effects with quite awe inspiring
results - something that
>goes way beyond bending your knees.
