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From: Harry Cannon
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: RE: [Derren Brown] Re: hypnosis practice.
Hi BC
OK ........... oops.
Kind Regards
Harry
-----Original Message-----
From: Blue Chip [mailto:]
Sent: 19 December 2002 16:03
To:
Subject: RE: [Derren Brown] Re: hypnosis practice.
Harry, old bean, you're having a go at the wrong person, and "oops -
lol"
would have been a sufficient reply. I didn't come up with the original
numbers, I only corrected the math. But just to clarify...
Maybe the guy was referring more generally to the publishing company or
the
retailers who make a damn site more than 10%, each. Humerously the only
people to take less profit is the capitalist government who run this
country and don't charge tax on books.
And he did want it and he did buy it hence "I recently brought frogs
into
princes for around £11.95" I think the comparison (fair or otherwise)
was
being made with books in general. A novel 10 times the size (in pages)
and
rarely selling that many copies would be less than half the price. And
anyway, most of the money in this industry is generated by other work
like
film rights or guest appearances, semiars and the such.
Finally 250,000*(12/(100/10)) = £300,000 Many people will bearly earn
that
much in a lifetime, let alone off the sales of one book. Mimum wage is
now
about £4.30 if I recall correctly; that gives an annual salary of about
£8,600 before tax; a working life is about 40 years and 40*8600 =
£344,000. If you're in it to help people you don't take THAT much from
them, especially as the people who need NLP most are generally the
emotionally and/or financially less fortunate.
Bc
At 15:20 19/12/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Yep. Your right but not as big a mistake as the numbers you came up
with
>ah?
>
>I've done the same myself in the past and missed everything in the
>middle, like printing and promo and distribution etc.
>
>Let's face it mate, if you don't want it then don't buy it. And yes, he
>is trying to make money out of it.
>
>Harry-----Original Message-----
>From: Blue Chip [mailto:]
>Sent: 19 December 2002 10:23
>To:
>Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: hypnosis practice.
>
>Don't mean to decry your mathematial skills, but 10% of £12.00 is £1.20
>
> >I think the usual fees to any books writer is usually only 10% so
>that's
> >11 to 12p per copy, so though it's nice, it's not a whole lot really.
> >
> >
> >Kind Regards
> >Harry Cannon M.I.A.H. D.hyp
> >Member of the International Association of Hypn-Analysts
> >Email: [e-mail address obfuscated]
> >Email:
> >Web: www.hypnoanalyst.com <http://www.hypnoanalyst.com/>
> >Mobile: +44 (0)7890 019028
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: killerb_0187 [mailto:]
> >Sent: 18 December 2002 18:58
> >To:
> >Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: hypnosis practice.
> >
> >--- In a previous message Blue Chip wrote:
> > >
> > > >So for being such a pessimist, but NLP is starting to seem a
little
> > > >cheesy to me, a good way of for the creators to make money. I
don't
> > > >know why I feel like that, I just do!
> > >
> > > "A rose is still a rose by any other name"
> > > NLP is a trade marked term. And for as long as we live in a
> >capitalist
> > > society, we will have to accept that many judge their position in
> >society
> > > by the amount of money they have. And after all, it's all
> >about "whatever
> > > makes you happy" at the end of the day.
> > > Do not be discouraged that some people do this for money. There
> >really are
> > > some great skills to be learned - one being the skill in finding
> >harmony in
> > > the world you live in - a world generally full of idiots;
everyone,
> >that
> > > is, except YOU. (did you feel my tongue reach out toward your
> >bottom
> > > crevice there?)
> >
> >
> >Uhh, I dont think so, I mean, I HOPE NOT!! :)
> >
> >They must be making a "killing" on NLP I'm thinking. I recently
> >brought frogs into princes for around £11.95, I haven't read it yet,
> >but when I looked at the back, it said the book had sold over 250,000
> >copies. Then when I looked at the new editions publishing date, it
> >was quite some years back, so undoubtely sales numbers would have
> >doubled or tripled by then atleast, yet I stuck to those numbers:
> >
> >250,000 * £11.95 = A hell of dosh by any standards... Almost 3
> >million pounds, on ONE book!
> >
> >Maybe thats why I feel a little sckeptical when it comes to NLP.
> > >
> > > > > It has little use in the real world, as many people are
scared
> >of
> > > > > hypnosis, and worried about loosing cotrol, and closing their
> >eyes,
> > > > > etc
> > > >
> > > >Agreed here also,
> > >
> > > You need to look at your skills in conciously "inducing a state of
> > > psychological comfort with your 'partner'" or "rapport" (as it has
> >been
> > > termed.)
> >
> >
> >Sorry, I dont really understand what you mean here...
> > >
> > > > while I don't know that much about NLP, I do feel
> > > >that a lot of unecessary technical terms are used, and I think
that
> > > >someone else here said this also... It just adds to the
'fakeness'
> >of
> > > >it all I believe...
> > >
> > > brb, lol, cya, ram-drive, pci bus, hard drive, floppy, stiffy (for
> >all
> > > south african members), CRT, RGB, VGA
> > >
> > > Once you have a definition for each word, then it is easier to
> >say "anchor"
> > > than "make a thing happen, then do a special different thing such
> >that when
> > > the second thing is repeated the first thing is triggered again."
> > >
> > > The opening pages to Douglas Adams 'Mostly Harmless' (a generally
> >crap book
> > > imho) explains this quite well in (as I recall) four sentences
> >spread over
> > > four pages... "anchor" is still a simpler term to use in general
> >discussion
> > > - particularly on specialist news groups.
> >
> >Right, I had a feeling somebody would do that. It was quite a poor
> >argument that I used.
> >
> >The way that NLP is structured in a way that a computer program is,
> >intruigues but baffles me at the same time. I think I heard Richard
> >saying "Throw out the old code, and make some new code", and I
> >genuinely believed that he may have been talking about renovating
> >some C source code or something, when I finally remembered that I had
> >searched for NLP.
> >
> >Is this done to help us or confuse us?
> >
> > >
> > > > > Covert Waking trance, though not as deep (unless
> >experienced) on
> > > > > the other hand is much more useful for persuading people in
> >terms
> > > >of
> > > > > sales / seduction / friendships / Negotiation and Persuasion.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >Right, I love the waking stuff. While I'm still ploughing through
> >the
> > > >Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism, the waking stuff is very
> >intruiging
> > > >and seems to link very closely to what derren does in some of his
> > > >stunts.
> > >
> > > Would you be more specific about what you term a "Covert Waking
> >Trance"
> > > It kinda makes sense, but I could be way off.
> >
> >I didn't write 'Covert Waking Trance'.
> >
> >...I wrote 'the waking stuff', and what I meant by that was basically
> >waking hypnosis, or waking suggestion, simple things that can be done
> >without putting someone into a deep trance. Kinda rapid stuff Derren
> >does now and then!
> > >
> > > Bc
> >
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