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From: Harry Cannon
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:41pm
Subject: RE: [Derren Brown] Re: hypnosis practice.
REF: FROGS INTO PRINCES.
Hi All
You can download it as a PDF from www.kazaa.com <http://www.kazaa.com/>
it's about 3.5Mb in all.
Kind Regards
Harry Cannon M.I.A.H. D.hyp
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-----Original Message-----
From: killerb_0187 [mailto:]
Sent: 18 December 2002 18:58
To:
Subject: [Derren Brown] Re: hypnosis practice.
--- In a previous message Blue Chip wrote:
>
> >So for being such a pessimist, but NLP is starting to seem a little
> >cheesy to me, a good way of for the creators to make money. I don't
> >know why I feel like that, I just do!
>
> "A rose is still a rose by any other name"
> NLP is a trade marked term. And for as long as we live in a
capitalist
> society, we will have to accept that many judge their position in
society
> by the amount of money they have. And after all, it's all
about "whatever
> makes you happy" at the end of the day.
> Do not be discouraged that some people do this for money. There
really are
> some great skills to be learned - one being the skill in finding
harmony in
> the world you live in - a world generally full of idiots; everyone,
that
> is, except YOU. (did you feel my tongue reach out toward your
bottom
> crevice there?)
Uhh, I dont think so, I mean, I HOPE NOT!! :)
They must be making a "killing" on NLP I'm thinking. I recently
brought frogs into princes for around £11.95, I haven't read it yet,
but when I looked at the back, it said the book had sold over 250,000
copies. Then when I looked at the new editions publishing date, it
was quite some years back, so undoubtely sales numbers would have
doubled or tripled by then atleast, yet I stuck to those numbers:
250,000 * £11.95 = A hell of dosh by any standards... Almost 3
million pounds, on ONE book!
Maybe thats why I feel a little sckeptical when it comes to NLP.
>
> > > It has little use in the real world, as many people are scared
of
> > > hypnosis, and worried about loosing cotrol, and closing their
eyes,
> > > etc
> >
> >Agreed here also,
>
> You need to look at your skills in conciously "inducing a state of
> psychological comfort with your 'partner'" or "rapport" (as it has
been
> termed.)
Sorry, I dont really understand what you mean here...
>
> > while I don't know that much about NLP, I do feel
> >that a lot of unecessary technical terms are used, and I think that
> >someone else here said this also... It just adds to the 'fakeness'
of
> >it all I believe...
>
> brb, lol, cya, ram-drive, pci bus, hard drive, floppy, stiffy (for
all
> south african members), CRT, RGB, VGA
>
> Once you have a definition for each word, then it is easier to
say "anchor"
> than "make a thing happen, then do a special different thing such
that when
> the second thing is repeated the first thing is triggered again."
>
> The opening pages to Douglas Adams 'Mostly Harmless' (a generally
crap book
> imho) explains this quite well in (as I recall) four sentences
spread over
> four pages... "anchor" is still a simpler term to use in general
discussion
> - particularly on specialist news groups.
Right, I had a feeling somebody would do that. It was quite a poor
argument that I used.
The way that NLP is structured in a way that a computer program is,
intruigues but baffles me at the same time. I think I heard Richard
saying "Throw out the old code, and make some new code", and I
genuinely believed that he may have been talking about renovating
some C source code or something, when I finally remembered that I had
searched for NLP.
Is this done to help us or confuse us?
>
> > > Covert Waking trance, though not as deep (unless
experienced) on
> > > the other hand is much more useful for persuading people in
terms
> >of
> > > sales / seduction / friendships / Negotiation and Persuasion.
> > >
> >
> >Right, I love the waking stuff. While I'm still ploughing through
the
> >Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism, the waking stuff is very
intruiging
> >and seems to link very closely to what derren does in some of his
> >stunts.
>
> Would you be more specific about what you term a "Covert Waking
Trance"
> It kinda makes sense, but I could be way off.
I didn't write 'Covert Waking Trance'.
...I wrote 'the waking stuff', and what I meant by that was basically
waking hypnosis, or waking suggestion, simple things that can be done
without putting someone into a deep trance. Kinda rapid stuff Derren
does now and then!
>
> Bc
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