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From: Richard XXXXXX
Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 10:01pm
Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] (unknown)
Yes,...
Knitting is very theraputic, and the rewards at the end, a wooly scarf, a
wooly jumper the possibilities are endless.
A life? That's a reality tv phenomenon isn't it?
More seriously, I'm here because Derren was well cool, on "mind control" and
it sparked an interest. What are the ideas behind what he does? It seems
obvious to me that he is very skilled at what he does. The ideas will not
give me his skills. That's fine, he has obviously worked at what he does and
deserves credit for a fantastic performance.
Whatching him on the t.v. cunjured up feelings of awe I have not felt since
I was a small child watching David Copperfield.
Richard
>From: "lauren_macsporren"
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Derren Brown] (unknown)
>Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 08:46:34 -0000
>
>Well said. Of course Derren wants us to figure out what he's doing..
>he gives us half the clues anyway! (although sometimes I do feel I'm
>being led astray!). Astray looks like ashtray.
>Anyway, the point is.. erm.. oh yeah to that mentalistic bloke...
>aren't you generalising when you say what you say about EVERYONE on
>here? HELLO?!?! And also, it is possible to use the internet and
>actually have a life.
>Will people quit starting arguments all the time? I can't believe how
>aggressive people are on here. I set this up as a bit of fun, to talk
>about Derren, to talk about what he does etc but some people come on
>here just to pick fights!
>Chill out people. Take up a new hobby like knitting or something to
>take your mind off the stresses and strains of life.
>
>--- In a previous message Philip Collins wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this,
> > Most narrow minded of you.
> > I consider that as I am more of a lurker than most that wasn't
>directed
> > directly at myself.
> > I am however gonna respond.
> > This is a fan club if it is anything. It is not a place to
>dismantle
> > building's or performances of any sort.
> > Anything that is said here is said as a result of being stunned by
>one of
> > derrens performances.
> > There are no vultures here only fans.
> > There are many different people who do many different things, each
>of those
> > things that are done has some people who are the best at it. These
>are known
> > to the majority as the proffessionals in their respective
> > art/sport/business.
> > Grown men gather on a field and play football after being impressed
>by the
> > antics of the pro's.
> > Everyone buy's a little music in their life and many musicians only
>learn to
> > be able to play the songs of their peers, never composing their own.
> > We dont criticise them because what they do is within the sphere of
>what
> > everyone can do if they care to learn.
> > The art of psychic or 'psychological' entertaiment, however you
>care to
> > define it, apparently needs to have a seperate set of rules than
>the art of
> > musical entertainment because the entertainment value in itself
>lies only in
> > the secrets.
> > This is not a magicians discussion forum, some of those here do not
>concern
> > ourselves with the ethics of revealiing a performers secret's
> > If you perform magic and mentalism you want people to be not only
> > entertained but also mystified....manipulation of awe and wonder is
>your
> > career.
> > You absolutely CANNOT POSSIBLY be seriously saying that people
>shouldnt get
> > together to try and figure out these tricks.
> > Derren is soo convincing.. many people have left his shows
>believing that
> > photoreading is possible, many of those people were students some
>were
> > researchers and I think one at least was a librarian. Are youy
>seriously
> > expecting students who would really benefit, not to go away and
>find out if
> > its really possible.
> > There was a time when I absolutely shit myself thinking what else
>does my
> > face give away. Derren has told the world that their innermost
>secrets are
> > not safe when he is around. I have a right to the desire to go out
>and find
> > out to what extent this is possible and to share my views with
>others.
> > It is apparent that you are yourself a mentalistic, why then are
>you here?
> > This is not a mentalists forum. Did you come to find out if we had
>found out
> > any secrets that you might be able to find? apparently that is
>against your
> > ethics as a performer.
> > Did you come then simply to criticise people who are ultimately the
> > expression of Derrens biggest collection of fans.
> > Criticse what exactly criticise us for doing exactly what Derren
>intended
> > his fans to do, be completely baffled and try and figure out how
>the hell
> > that works.
> > So why do you come here?
> > I am not at any 'performance level' I do not intend to go to any
> > 'performance level' but if its possible to block out pain on
>purpose then I
> > have a right to know how. If its not psychic and you can read
>thoughts just
> > by looking then I'm gonna find out how many other people are doing
>this.
> > I think your posting was rather unthoughtful, you didn't consider
>who your
> > audience was. Too many mentalists and magicians come to this board
>and worry
> > about secrets being divulged and future performances being ruined.
> > Tell me where would you like your fan club too gather when you hit
>the big
> > time? nowhere....and what would you like them too discuss, your
>goatee
> > beard? Or would you prefer not too have a fan club?
> > I hope you are open too my points.
> > The very nature of mentalism is to get people to ask how? no...
> > Something that strikes me about this board is that many people have
> > dissected exactly how derren does his paper scissors stone routine
>and yet
> > nobody has come back and said - I did it and baffled my colleagues
>or
> > family. Or "I did that trick Derren did, i made my girlfriend
>forget her
> > name.." nobody does it... they only try to figure out how he did
>it. Once
> > I've figured it out what next... Is anyone running around
>shouting "Derren
> > Brown is a fraud..." No
> > Also being as I'm airing some views, I wish magician's would stop
>coming in
> > here and saying " no thats not how its done..." or "thats an old
>trick
> > revamped"
> > If you want to discuss how it works this is the place, if not go
>somewhere
> > else...
> > I cant believe I wasted more time responding to your ignorant view
>than it
> > probably took you too write it.
> > Hope you found what I wrote interesting, god know's I've spent all
>my money
> > on books to tell me how to say interesting things....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "mentalistical"
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [Derren Brown] (unknown)
> > >Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:08:17 -0000
> > >
> > >It really does amaze me when I browse the pages of this group. You
> > >people are a nightmare, you really are vultures circling high up,
> > >frequently swooping down to pick at or dismantle a performer and
>his
> > >effects. I Have a feeling that if you spent as much time and
>energy at
> > >an educational establishment such as a college or university you
>would
> > >be very clever people. However I think it is safe to say that you
>will
> > >never be truly rewarded by your efforts. Most of you spend too much
> > >time her in cyber land instead of going out and mixing with real
> > >people, I see you all as sad individuals who's ignorance will lead
> > >only to destroy that which others hold so close to their hearts.
> > >
> > >"It doesn't matter what performance level you're at. It doesn't
>matter
> > >if magic is your hobby, your past time, your passion or your
>career.
> > >If you treat your audience, and your art, with such dignity and
> > >respect that others can't wait to see more magic, then your own
> > >purposes – whatever they may be, will be better served than any
>other
> > >way. Only perform quality, well-rehearsed material, and treat every
> > >audience member with the respect they deserve". Michael Ammar
> > >
> > >THE CAREFUL BUILDER
> > >
> > >
> > >I saw them tearing a building down - a gang of men, in my hometown.
> > >
> > >With a heave, and a ho, and a 'yes, yes!' yell They swung a beam,
>and
> > >a sidewall fell.
> > >
> > >I said to the foreman, "Are these men skilled? Like the ones you'd
>use
> > >if you had to build?"
> > >
> > >He laughed and said, "Oh, no! Indeed! The most common labor's all I
> > >need. Because I can destroy, in a day or two, what it takes a
>builder
> > >ten years to do."
> > >
> > >And I thought to myself, as I went my way - Which of these roles
>am I
> > >willing to play?
> > >
> > >Am I one, who's tearing down, as I carelessly make my way around?
> > >
> > >Or am I one who builds with care? So my family, my community, is
>just
> > >a little better, because I was there.
> > >
> > >For many of you this post will mean nothing, you will simply read
>on
> > >and dismiss it. You may not even bat an eye at my comments. I urge
>you
> > >to stop dismantling this man. Mr Brown is an excellent performer
>and
> > >has worked exceptionally hard to be able to present his mind magic
>the
> > >way he does. If any of you where magicians or mentalists who had
> > >painstakingly built an amazing repertoire and some of your own
> > >effects, I'm sure you would be appalled at any expose and
>plagiarist
> > >groups like this one. A performance is such a personnel thing, for
> > >someone to steal from it is like an attack on yourself, you may as
> > >well break into Mr Browns house and steel his personal belongings.
> > >
> > >I hear many of you say "hi I have been into NLP, hypnosis and magic
> > >for five years" yet you still come in here and talk crap. The
>truth be
> > >known If you had been into magic for five years you wouldn't post
> > >stuff in here, well you would but only to poke fun at idiots.
> > >
> > >So to the vultures and thieves, keep reading the NLP books I'm sure
> > >they will make you very strong, powerful and not to mention
> > >interesting
> > >
> >
> >
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